Very funny reading their post how full of Sh#t they where ,,, looking up blackmax parts from chrysler too funny

 

Merc Turd? Chargers are scared of me! the first kill with the V8 was a Hemi Challenger.

 

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I am providing you the following information, as I have done for several previous dealers. Chrysler never produced a Black Max Edition Crossfire, the original leaser was screen named Mad Max on the Crossfire Forum, he butchered the car and added the Black Max Edition stickers. The Crossfire SRT-6 VIN (1c3an79nx5x036259 - Google Search) that your dealership has for sale has the incorrect seat, front fascia, front fairing, decals/emblems, rims, rear hatch, rear fairing, shocks, struts, upper and lower control arms, spindles, sway bars, rotors, calipers, brakes and is missing fog lights. The original leaser sold/traded the safety/performance and aerodynamic parts from his grey SRT-6 with a black base model Crossfire prior to defaulting on his lease. If you check you will see that the front fascia was repainted by one of the previous dealers who were stuck with this car, I have photos of the car showing the black front fascia. As you can see, the safety of this vehicle has been drastically diminished and is extremely questionable. To verify this information please visit www.crossfireforum.org or conduct an internet search for Black Max Crossfire; the history of this vehicle is well documented, verified and tracked. This car has been to more auctions then Jay Leno, I was very sorry to see that you paid $16,500 for this poor quality Crossfire. Please be assured that any buyer and the next dealership will be informed of this vehicles history and your informed knowledge.

 

Good email. Not sure I would agree with any safety issue as long as the parts were properly swapped.

 

I too sent them an email, some of which is in the "Its Back" post in the coupe forum. They said in their last email the add was being reworded without the 'black max' stuff but it hasn't been removed yet as far as I can see. They were adament this car is a real Black Max edition car... Maybe the forum members who wrote them will persuade them to relist it correctly.

 

Offer to buy the car if they can document that a Black Max Edition was ever produced.

 

You don't think the base model brakes, suspension and aerodynamics have negatively effected the performance and safety quotent of this car compared to the equipment provided on the SRT-6?

 

Performance? yes . Safety? no, unless you are spending all day at the dragon buring up the brakes, but even some SRT guys were smoking brakes there. Normal street driving? not a saftey issue. The n/a cars prove that every day. The N/a cars can go just about as fast as the SRT. It just takes longer to get to those speeds.

 

Bob, after hearing the presentation from the people in charge of building this car, the spoiler would be an issue for me. It must deploy at high speeds. They stated both spoilers, whether SRT/Limited are needed at high speeds, or the rearend would lift. As I understand it, the spoiler isn't functional on this car. You are right on about the brakes...you need to upgrade to a better pad, fluid, and brake lines in order to play hard on the Dragon, regardless SRT/Limited.

 

Although the car's handling and braking may be as good as any base or limited Crossfire; if the work was done correctly. It now has longer stopping distance, less cornering ability, less down force and more body roll then the original SRT. This would be similar an SRT-6 with bad breaks, worn shocks/struts and missing aerodynamic parts. Fine to be driven by some for "normal street driving", but still less effective in an emergency stop, emergency turn, high speed run or hard cornering situation then a well maintained SRT-6. So, in my opinion the safety of this vehicle is reduced and has been negatively effected by the changes.

 

I agree with you for the most part, except what you are also saying the n/a Crossfire is unsafe and it is not. This car has less performance in the areas that you meniton, so some of the limits have changed for the worse. One thing I discovered at the Dragon is that a n/a car with a good driver can stay with a SRT. With my V8 I have done all the upgrades including having better brakes than the SRT ever came with. Saying the n/a is unsafe is like me teling you your car is unsafe because you don't have my suspension and braking upgrades. Any car is unsafe when pushed beyond the limits.

 

If you think about it, if the dealer stops advertising it as a Black Maxx edition, then any future buyer who wants to investigate will not find the butt load of information available. I say, let the dealers continue to advertise the way they want, and let the buyer find the information.

 

Sorry to tell you but tests of a NA versus SRT6 in braking and skid padd show the NA stops almost as short (4ft) and pulls .01 better gs on the skid padd, so I don't think safety and handling should be an issue..........

While the SRT6 may have better torque and 0-60 times, it's not better on what you are trying to link to safety. Either car is pretty equal on the handling front...
Not sure if this table will match up below, but it's one of the many I've found which is pretty consistent with other reviews.
NA / Limited Skid pad .91g 70 - 0 mph in 161 ft.[15]
NA / Limited 0- 60 6.4 sec (6-speed manual)[16]

2005–2008 SRT- Supercharged V6 Skid pad .90g 70 - 0 mph in 157 ft.[17]
2005-2006 SRT - 0-60 4.8

 

I don't believe that I stated "Unsafe", what I did state was reduced and questionable. These are words understood by dealers and lawyers when it comes to suit potential.
I do agree that bigger brakes are usually better, but they alone do not always result in shorter stopping distances. If the SRT-6 was originally equipped with bigger brakes and was then down graded to standard SRT-6 brakes and it resulted in longer stopping distances then I would say that the safety of that car was negatively effected. Similarly, softer suspension, taller ride heights and reduced aerodynamic features do not always result in lesser handling. However, in this case I think we can all agree that the car is not as good as a stock SRT-6, the result is reduced safety.

 

Hopefully, someone who thinks this way will purchase the car and be happy with it.

 

At the right price, I'd be very happy with it. Unfortunately, the right price is way less than the dealer just paid or it. As far as safety being jeapordized, how safe is too safe? This car is not unsafe, so it's safe enough.

 

You assumed some upgrades and performance that either don't exist or don't matter. While my car is nothing like the n/s car I started out with. The only subtantle difference you have over a n/a car is acceleration. Implying the n/a car has saftey issues that the SRT does not is nuts. Only a lawyer could agrue this successfully but can't we agree we have enough frivilous law suits?

Now back to the topic. The main problem with the Black Max car is dealers representing it as an ultra rare special model and charging a premium for a car that will cost thousands to put back the way it was produced.

 

Exactly. Unless it was abused and there are bad sounds from under the hood, this car would be a nice buy at around $10,000.

 

Yes it would! It would also make a great "sleeper". I just think the car is worth Market price for an SRT minus the total cost to restore to original by a high prices shop. I would not give DIY pricing on it.

 

The car is an insult to the Crossfire.The merchant is without honor.