An American Tragedy
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by Maxwell
I'm not sure about that, I know a woman who's an engineer at Lexus, and they where having numerous transmission problems with the IS300, they would call in all their customers for a free oil change tune up, with a rental car, and then sneak in new trannys. lol see this is the stuff that never gets out. But I'm willing to bet most all car manufactures are equally plagued with problems, it's not an American car thing anymore.
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Re: An American Tragedy
I think you guys are right on in your perception of the economic status of car owners in their choice of cars and their ability, financially to keep the cars up. I think quality wise, the cars are about the same if maintained the same way. Heck, most of the "foreign" cars are made in the united states by americans now anyway.
I am just as guilty as the next guy, though. I have had toyotas and hondas and driven them until the wheels fell off. When we replaced out last family car, we looked at the chrysler 300 and cadillac cts. I talked my wife into a volvo s-60 because of the perceived better safety features and better reliability when the others are rated as good or better in consumer reports. I myself bought a dodge dakota extended cap a few years ago. It was a great truck and gave me no trouble, but I dumped it because I was commuting 120 miles a day and the truck never got more than 18 mpg. I just bought a nissan frontier 4-door. Paid more for the truck and it gets, you guessed it, 18 mpg.
I am just as guilty as the next guy, though. I have had toyotas and hondas and driven them until the wheels fell off. When we replaced out last family car, we looked at the chrysler 300 and cadillac cts. I talked my wife into a volvo s-60 because of the perceived better safety features and better reliability when the others are rated as good or better in consumer reports. I myself bought a dodge dakota extended cap a few years ago. It was a great truck and gave me no trouble, but I dumped it because I was commuting 120 miles a day and the truck never got more than 18 mpg. I just bought a nissan frontier 4-door. Paid more for the truck and it gets, you guessed it, 18 mpg.
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by gdrayb
I think you guys are right on in your perception of the economic status of car owners in their choice of cars and their ability, financially to keep the cars up. I think quality wise, the cars are about the same if maintained the same way. Heck, most of the "foreign" cars are made in the united states by americans now anyway.
I am just as guilty as the next guy, though. I have had toyotas and hondas and driven them until the wheels fell off. When we replaced out last family car, we looked at the chrysler 300 and cadillac cts. I talked my wife into a volvo s-60 because of the perceived better safety features and better reliability when the others are rated as good or better in consumer reports. I myself bought a dodge dakota extended cap a few years ago. It was a great truck and gave me no trouble, but I dumped it because I was commuting 120 miles a day and the truck never got more than 18 mpg. I just bought a nissan frontier 4-door. Paid more for the truck and it gets, you guessed it, 18 mpg.
I am just as guilty as the next guy, though. I have had toyotas and hondas and driven them until the wheels fell off. When we replaced out last family car, we looked at the chrysler 300 and cadillac cts. I talked my wife into a volvo s-60 because of the perceived better safety features and better reliability when the others are rated as good or better in consumer reports. I myself bought a dodge dakota extended cap a few years ago. It was a great truck and gave me no trouble, but I dumped it because I was commuting 120 miles a day and the truck never got more than 18 mpg. I just bought a nissan frontier 4-door. Paid more for the truck and it gets, you guessed it, 18 mpg.
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by RPM
What?!
Good lord. That 3.5 is a heck of an engine, and from what I hear, basically bulletproof.
I'm not sure if I would give your friend a high-five, or shake my finger at him.
Good lord. That 3.5 is a heck of an engine, and from what I hear, basically bulletproof.
I'm not sure if I would give your friend a high-five, or shake my finger at him.
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by dobro
The Pontiac Vibe vs. Toyota Matrix
The Ponty Costs less and loses resale value rapidly.
The Toyota Costs more, and
Holds resale value well.
...Same car. Exact same car. What a world.
The Ponty Costs less and loses resale value rapidly.
The Toyota Costs more, and
Holds resale value well.
...Same car. Exact same car. What a world.
Crossfire vs Mercedes SLK320
Crossfire cost less and loses resale value rapidly.
Mercedes SLK320 cost more and has held it's value a H*LL of lot more!
SAME CAR - Go figure.
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by cross1
ahem!
Crossfire vs Mercedes SLK320
Crossfire cost less and loses resale value rapidly.
Mercedes SLK320 cost more and has held it's value a H*LL of lot more!
SAME CAR - Go figure.
Crossfire vs Mercedes SLK320
Crossfire cost less and loses resale value rapidly.
Mercedes SLK320 cost more and has held it's value a H*LL of lot more!
SAME CAR - Go figure.
Probably only about .000001% of the population know that crossfire and the slk are the same car...
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Re: An American Tragedy
Now that Chrysler and Mercedes are parting ways -
We could end up owning the only true auto that was a product of that marriage.
What that will do for the Crossfire value - only time will tell - it could actually stem the declining resale value and turn it around or...
We could end up owning the only true auto that was a product of that marriage.
What that will do for the Crossfire value - only time will tell - it could actually stem the declining resale value and turn it around or...
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Re: An American Tragedy
The sticker price for my Xfire was ~ 35K in 2004, I got it last month for $19,200...personally I'm glad the value dropped to that level otherwise I would've NEVER considered owning this car. I got a GREAT deal at the right time and I'll probably keep this car for at least a decade...and like the post above me says...if Daimler and Chrysler split, then this truly is a classic.
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by FP
Well take it from a 20 year Volvo owner. It's a great car, and guess what? It's American. It's owned by Ford. I drove my '87 740 GLE for 15 years, 250K miles and when I finally got rid of it (only because I wanted a new car and kept putting it off). It still looked and drove like it had 20K miles. Never broke down on me, and never took it in for warranty work.
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Re: An American Tragedy
I own a 1999 lexus gs300 and let me tell you, although the car has not given me any major problems, it is going to be my last japanese car... for a while to come and the last toyota I will ever own...
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Re: An American Tragedy
Originally Posted by Emthusiast
FP... Wasn't Volvo a Swedish company back in '87 and it was not owned by Ford?
It's funny, I can remember when Mr. Ford wanted to buy Ferrari, but I have no recollection of his interest in the XKE, or the Volvo for that matter.
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Re: An American Tragedy
This week with all the snow and ice I have to admit I have been driving my wife's 2000 Volvo s70. Nice car, we've had it for 3 years and its been virtually trouble free. Beautiful car, british racing green, tan leather with wood trim.
If Chrysler goes GM I'm done with them, I'll keep the Crossfire but I have not had good luck with GM cars...I'll go import again before I drive another GM product.
Pat
If Chrysler goes GM I'm done with them, I'll keep the Crossfire but I have not had good luck with GM cars...I'll go import again before I drive another GM product.
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Re: An American Tragedy
If Chrysler goes GM, then I'm done too...I'll just stick with my x-fire and old Mopar cars...Nothing they (GM) have offered has excited me enough to consider purchase...I just have never been a GM guy...
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