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Old Apr 14, 2007 | 11:58 PM
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Andrew, Car Rental Companies don't hand out cars without someone signing for them. It sounds like they very continently "lost" the original rental agreement...
when budget called me about 3 months ago before i got the dealer involved... i asked the service manager if i could see my complete file... he pulled out a thick manila folder... i went through the entire file and no budget car agreement was found (i didn't tell him what i was up to). i then asked the service manager if he knew where the budget rental contract was... and he stated, if one was signed by the dealer it would be in the file... no where to be found.

i wonder if the budget agent/rep was too busy that morning and dealt with the dealer on a regular basis... then promised to get the agreement to the dealer later in the day, etc... and it never happened?? who knows why no agreement can be provided... unless as i believe... one does not exist.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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budget then tried to add the signed agreement/contract from the 'replacement' car i did sign off on ('06 grand prix - white).
i told budget the agreement provided in the documentation applied to the replacement car... 'NOT' the car involved in the accident that was provided via the dealer.

the budget rep then stated, that the police report shows i was the driver of the rental car... therefore i am the responsible party.
If this statement (made by the Budget rep) were true, I'd ask him just exactly where does it say (on your contract) that your responsibility for the rental car you were given is retroactive?
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by andrew
who knows why no agreement can be provided... unless as i believe... one does not exist.
Than, that's to your advantage.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 12:08 AM
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~ to all that have replied thus far... many many thanks...


please continue to make any suggestions... i can't begin to tell you how frustrating this matter is...
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 12:15 AM
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If I remember my Business Law from College and by no means am I a lawyer, contracts have to be specific. There has to be a "meeting of the minds" "the Agreement" & "Consideration". Since the keys were just handed to you there was no "meeting of the minds" you did not sign anything so there is no "Agreement" and you did not agree to pay for anything and did not pay for anything, so there was no "consideration" given. I believe like others here have stated, the dealer who is the customer at this point and the rental rep dropped the ball and are trying to bag you for it. You cannot / should not be held responsible for something that you never acknowledged or were asked to be responsible for.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CrossfireLTD
If I remember my Business Law from College and by no means am I a lawyer, contracts have to be specific. There has to be a "meeting of the minds" "the Agreement" & "Consideration". Since the keys were just handed to you there was no "meeting of the minds" you did not sign anything so there is no "Agreement" and you did not agree to pay for anything and did not pay for anything, so there was no "consideration" given.
True. Andrew, I'm no lawyer either, but I do have a Master's degree in Criminology - which required a lot of law study. Since you signed nothing and essentially agreed to nothing - you are not responsible. Had you signed a contractual agreement, you may have been. However, since you did not, the fault lies with the dealer.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2007 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by andrew
~ the latest letter from budget (4.10.07):


Dear Andrew Smith,

Please be advised that I personally spoke with the Service Manager, at Crown Chrysler, and he stated that even though the dealership provided a replacement vehicle for your use while your personal vehicle was being repaired, you as a consumer, still have an obligation to either accept or decline any optional services offered to you to protect your interest while using a rental vehicle. Since you did not accept our coverages, we are holding you responsible for the damages to our vehicle.

As you where advised during our telephone conversation on Monday, April 9, 2007, if this claim is not paid in full, this file will be forwarded to an outside vender for further assistance, You do have the right to file a claim with your own auto carrier for payment of the damages.

Budget does realize that you were hit from the rear by a uninsured motorist, however, our contract clearly states that the renter is fully responsible for the vehicle in the event they do not accept the loss damage waiver.

Should you have any further question regarding this, you can contact our office at the number listed below. Otherwise, we do expect payment in full by April 23, 2007, or this file will be forwarded to an outside vendor.

Sincerely,

Budget Fast Track Unit
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There is the key, right there in bold Andrew. You were not offered the opportunity to accept or decline the coverage. It is THEIR obligation to present the choice to you, thereby making you responsible for the consequences of your choice. Unless they can prove that you declined the coverage (they can't), then they are S.O.L.
Plus, they say that "our contract clearly states". Well, what contract is that? The one that you did not sign? The one that you were never given a copy of?
There is no way they can win this.
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 09:58 AM
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just a quick update...

budget rental car has made no further contact since i inquired/requested a copy of the rental car agreement/binding contract (that doesn't exist). they stated if they could locate it... it would be faxed to me... no fax ever arrived.

in addition... last week a certified letter has been sent via my attorney to budget rental car... putting them on notice in regard to sending me to collections and jeopardizing my credit rating, lack of contract, etc.

will keep all up-to-date. thanks again for everyone's input.

cheers,
andrew
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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just a quick update...

budget rental car has made no further contact since i inquired/requested a copy of the rental car agreement/binding contract (that doesn't exist). they stated if they could locate it... it would be faxed to me... no fax ever arrived.

in addition... last week a certified letter has been sent via my attorney to budget rental car... putting them on notice in regard to sending me to collections and jeopardizing my credit rating, lack of contract, etc.

will keep all up-to-date. thanks again for everyone's input.

cheers,
andrew
Nope, I haven't contribute any input yet.

Andrew, sorry to hear about this and more sorry that it has been some while period of time before I read this.
Reading from the start, "Budget" was just pointing you to the direction they want you to go. But the fact is, the direction are pointing back at them.
Documents and documentation are vital especially in business which they have none to hold against you and that's their weakest link.
But of course, am telling you what you already knew.

No point telling you to be strong since you ARE strong. So...stay strong.

Now, I'll accept your thank you.

You are welcome.
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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andrew,

I suspect the letter from your attorney will be enough to dissuade them from hounding you any further. I had a problem with an insurance agent who notified me that he would have to switch me to a higher insurance because the law and I couldn't agree on the posted speeds and that the rate would be 4X of what I was currently paying so told them to pull my policies. I was done with them and would find another insurance company. Well six months latter I get a letter from the insurance company saying they were turning me over to a collection agency so I went to a lawyer and had him send them a similar letter; the problem went a way without any mark on my credit report.
 

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Old May 10, 2007 | 02:05 PM
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Would it be possible to take Budget to court and if they damaged your credit in any way?
 
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Old May 10, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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Andrew - Thanks for the update, I would hope that you are in the clear at this point. Good to talk to you and look forward to meeting you in person in July.

Pat
 
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Old Jun 11, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by andrew
just a quick update...

budget rental car has made no further contact since i inquired/requested a copy of the rental car agreement/binding contract (that doesn't exist). they stated if they could locate it... it would be faxed to me... no fax ever arrived.

in addition... last week a certified letter has been sent via my attorney to budget rental car... putting them on notice in regard to sending me to collections and jeopardizing my credit rating, lack of contract, etc.

will keep all up-to-date. thanks again for everyone's input.

cheers,
andrew
~ no response from budget thus far... since the letter was sent via my attorney... (fingers crossed/knock on wood/etc).
 
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Old Jun 11, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew
~ no response from budget thus far... since the letter was sent via my attorney... (fingers crossed/knock on wood/etc).
Good luck, but I you can put a fork in this on now. I doubt Budget will take it any further. I think their last letter to you was just a last effort try to see if you would pay.

 
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