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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jay bondrock
Love the Elise... but the bottom line is that, in the slightly used sports car category, the Xfire is by far the best thing going. In Canada a new Xfire LTD goes out the door for $50,000 + tax but a one year old, low mileage car can be had of under $25k (in the US they're even cheaper but the warranty isn't transferable if you import them). I looked at a 350Z, and by mechanic tried to get me take over the lease on his Elise... but for the $$$, there was nothing on the market even close to a Xfire. I also loved the Xfire's driving position and the low end torque. I do most of my driving in the city, after all.

Also, why get an Elise when there are Caymans out there?
Yea but the Crossfire LTD isn't really a sports car anywhere near the same page as a Elise (or the Cayman for that matter).

The Crossfire is a great deal if you want the look of a sports car, but it's lacking when it comes to actually performing like a sports car.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by palexfire
i was thinking about going for a lotus and getting rid of the xfire... what do you guys think?
I think it's great, especially if I meet you on the track sometime... You'll have a terrific view of my tail lights...

Look at my GIF Signature...
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HDDP
I think it's great, especially if I meet you on the track sometime... You'll have a terrific view of my tail lights...

Look at my GIF Signature...
Completely gutted track cars (with zero background info on them) are always a great barometer for stock street cars.



You should know better than to try and make that comparison. You know damn well a Elise will eat a Crossfire alive around a track. I could dig up a picture of a Fox body Mustang passing a Ferrari 360 but it says absolutely nothing about the cars in general.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BltByKrmn
Completely gutted track cars (with zero background info on them) are always a great barometer for stock street cars.



You should know better than to try and make that comparison. You know damn well a Elise will eat a Crossfire alive around a track. I could dig up a picture of a Fox body Mustang passing a Ferrari 360 but it says absolutely nothing about the cars in general.
Not true... This seems to be a propagated myth surrounding the Lotus... It's got a Toyota Celica engine, weighs just under 2,000 lbs and has a very low CG... But before I gutted the car and did my mods, I ran against many during track days... And we were basically neck & neck except for tight turns...

Now, I eat them for lunch... Exiges too !!!
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Lets be serious here. I hate magazine racing, but come on - with equal drivers this is not going to be close.

2004 Crossfire
3,060 lbs
215 hp/229 tq
= 14.2

2005 Lotus Elise
1,975 lbs
190 hp/138 tq
= 10.4

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2006 Crossfire SRT6
3,240 lbs
330 hp/310 tq
= 9.8

2007 Lotus Exige
2,077 lbs
220 hp/165 tq
= 9.4

So there we have it. Better hp to weight ratios while having a far superior suspension for track duty. Equal drivers in both cars, this isn't a race.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 11:57 PM
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Default Re: lotus or xfire...

Originally Posted by BltByKrmn
Lets be serious here. I hate magazine racing, but come on - with equal drivers this is not going to be close.

2004 Crossfire
3,060 lbs
215 hp/229 tq
= 14.2

2005 Lotus Elise
1,975 lbs
190 hp/138 tq
= 10.4

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2006 Crossfire SRT6
3,240 lbs
330 hp/310 tq
= 9.8

2007 Lotus Exige
2,077 lbs
220 hp/165 tq
= 9.4

So there we have it. Better hp to weight ratios while having a far superior suspension for track duty. Equal drivers in both cars, this isn't a race.
There you have it... I guess every driver in every Lotus I've raced on every track in So. Cal. is far inferior... Thanks for the compliments.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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I sat in the Lotus today. It was tight all around - I'm 6'2". Very hard to get in and out of; bare bones interior; very tight in the pedal area (foot on the gas pedal and shoe was touching the brake pedal); seats about 1 inch thick (no comfort there); you are literally elbow to elbow with your passenger (no console at all); very cheap/cheesy cover around shifter; only storage is in the rear near the engine (about the size of a large glove box); but a NICE looking car. More of the finest go cart in the world but not for me at $45K.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AimeeJ
..... so I can drive *****-to-the-ball ......
Can anyone tell me what this means?
 
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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by stlouistrucker
Can anyone tell me what this means?
Maybe she has overly large ones and it takes a big car to get them around... ?
 
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