Hooniverse article about the Crossfire
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Something looks familiar with that hood......trounced by a Grand Marquis ...huh.
Yes, I have ran with him a few times last year with CDC. I could have sworn it was a souped up SRT6 model though, and runs R compound tires on the stock rims. Or shaved summer tires. Not really sure.
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
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Something looks familiar with that hood......trounced by a Grand Marquis ...huh.
Yes, I have ran with him a few times last year with CDC. I could have sworn it was a souped up SRT6 model though, and runs R compound tires on the stock rims. Or shaved summer tires. Not really sure.
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
Marquis LOL just jealousy
hahahahah......
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This is one funny quote....take a good look at the picture linked. I think that is Woody's ride (check the hood). I am REALLY SURE this knucklehead trounced Woody with his stock Grand Marquis! NOT!
Originally Posted by 70GT6
Something looks familiar with that hood......trounced by a Grand Marquis ...huh.
Yes, I have ran with him a few times last year with CDC. I could have sworn it was a souped up SRT6 model though, and runs R compound tires on the stock rims. Or shaved summer tires. Not really sure.
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
He is not very quick though, I had no problem trouncing him by seconds with my stock Grand Marquis with 17x8 cobra wheels and cooper zeon street tires.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/...051548b8db.jpg
Re: Hooniverse article about the Crossfire
They have no clue what they're missing. 
But then again, it's typical of Americans in particular to look for validation from others before they accept their own feelings. I like being different, and alot of times I'll even pay a premium to do it. in this case I got a heckuva discount to do so, and that increases my value immensely.
But then again, it's typical of Americans in particular to look for validation from others before they accept their own feelings. I like being different, and alot of times I'll even pay a premium to do it. in this case I got a heckuva discount to do so, and that increases my value immensely.
Re: Hooniverse article about the Crossfire
Despite many of us saying that the car has excellent handling, I personally think we have to concede that point. The SRT-6 springs are too harsh, and the shocks aren't well-matched, so we end up with a harsh ride that doesn't necessarily translate into better handling. Whenever I take a hard turn, the car feels skittish and hesitant, and the open diff in the back along with the invasive traction control means it's tough to manhandle and rotate the car the way you want it to. A lot of people define handling as how comfortable and willing the car is when you push it hard (i.e., how easy it is to drive a car hard), and on that definition, I believe the xFire is adequate, at best. That said, I'm a believer in the muscle-car old-school definition of handling, which is ultimate grip. IMO, if your car doesn't require the Stig's brass cajones to truly maximize its potential, and if it isn't trying to kill you at least once every other day, then it's a pretty wimpy car (sadly, Toyota's recent inclusion in that group has me rethinking that definition).
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
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Overall, I have to disagree with you. While firm, the ride is not what I would call harsh. There are sections of freeway in SoCal that can be a little rough but that has more to do with the short wheelbase. I drove an old Z3 over those same roads and thought the car would wind up off the side of the road. My Z4 did much better (a 2.5 with standard suspension) but my SRT6 is better by far (and I have had it since it had 700 miles on it).
The Crossfire (and SRT6) were doomed by the testers from the beginning. I think it has something to do with the "hand-me-down" beginnings from the SLK.
I have driven Willow Springs, the Streets of Willow Springs and the interior road course at the California Speedway. With the traction control engaged, you can't get very aggressive at all. With it off you can get sideways quickly (personal experience). I was personally able to humble my share of M3s, Miatas, 350Zs, Corvettes, even a RUFF Porsche (the driver was new to the car). I am not the best driver, but not too shabby either.
When people start about the handling/performance, I just referr them to the following Road and Track story, where they compared a Nismo 350Z S tune and a Porsche Boxter S to a stock SRT6. Reading through the article you would swear the SRT6 was going to come in last, but in the end to their surprise there was only one "bad-boy" standing when the tests and dust cleared, the SRT6.
Read for yourself and enjoy...Hot Sixes - Article - Road and Track
The Crossfire (and SRT6) were doomed by the testers from the beginning. I think it has something to do with the "hand-me-down" beginnings from the SLK.
I have driven Willow Springs, the Streets of Willow Springs and the interior road course at the California Speedway. With the traction control engaged, you can't get very aggressive at all. With it off you can get sideways quickly (personal experience). I was personally able to humble my share of M3s, Miatas, 350Zs, Corvettes, even a RUFF Porsche (the driver was new to the car). I am not the best driver, but not too shabby either.
When people start about the handling/performance, I just referr them to the following Road and Track story, where they compared a Nismo 350Z S tune and a Porsche Boxter S to a stock SRT6. Reading through the article you would swear the SRT6 was going to come in last, but in the end to their surprise there was only one "bad-boy" standing when the tests and dust cleared, the SRT6.
Read for yourself and enjoy...Hot Sixes - Article - Road and Track
Originally Posted by DesertFox
Despite many of us saying that the car has excellent handling, I personally think we have to concede that point. The SRT-6 springs are too harsh, and the shocks aren't well-matched, so we end up with a harsh ride that doesn't necessarily translate into better handling. Whenever I take a hard turn, the car feels skittish and hesitant, and the open diff in the back along with the invasive traction control means it's tough to manhandle and rotate the car the way you want it to. A lot of people define handling as how comfortable and willing the car is when you push it hard (i.e., how easy it is to drive a car hard), and on that definition, I believe the xFire is adequate, at best. That said, I'm a believer in the muscle-car old-school definition of handling, which is ultimate grip. IMO, if your car doesn't require the Stig's brass cajones to truly maximize its potential, and if it isn't trying to kill you at least once every other day, then it's a pretty wimpy car (sadly, Toyota's recent inclusion in that group has me rethinking that definition).
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
Re: Hooniverse article about the Crossfire
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With the traction control engaged, you can't get very aggressive at all. With it off you can get sideways quickly (personal experience).
Also, nice read.
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Originally Posted by DesertFox
Despite many of us saying that the car has excellent handling, I personally think we have to concede that point. The SRT-6 springs are too harsh, and the shocks aren't well-matched, so we end up with a harsh ride that doesn't necessarily translate into better handling. Whenever I take a hard turn, the car feels skittish and hesitant, and the open diff in the back along with the invasive traction control means it's tough to manhandle and rotate the car the way you want it to. A lot of people define handling as how comfortable and willing the car is when you push it hard (i.e., how easy it is to drive a car hard), and on that definition, I believe the xFire is adequate, at best. That said, I'm a believer in the muscle-car old-school definition of handling, which is ultimate grip. IMO, if your car doesn't require the Stig's brass cajones to truly maximize its potential, and if it isn't trying to kill you at least once every other day, then it's a pretty wimpy car (sadly, Toyota's recent inclusion in that group has me rethinking that definition).
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
Also, one thing that's heavily overlooked is the MASSIVE low-end torque that you get once you open up the intake manifold on the SRT-6. You don't see that reflected on any simple peak hp/torque spec numbers that get called out in armchair racing. V8-embarassing torque is why I love my SRT-6.
I regularly do freeway off ramps (and street and highway cornering) at much, much more than the posted speed and my little unit has never offered as much as a twitch, regardless of how antiquated it's steering and suspension system is supposed to be. Again, I haven't actually driven an SRT-6 so I can't speak directly to your points, however...
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Originally Posted by Stripes
Despite never having driven a SRT-6 (I have an '04 6-speed) I have driven a 2003 SLK32 AMG and I can tell you that while, IMHO the Mercedes might look better because of the AMG trim package, the car does not handle nearly as well as my 04 Ltd and it's ride it much, much rougher. Acceleration in the Mercedes didn't impress me much either (I realize it's heavier than the SRT-6) but I swear my little coupe would eat it up off the line.
I regularly do freeway off ramps (and street and highway cornering) at much, much more than the posted speed and my little unit has never offered as much as a twitch, regardless of how antiquated it's steering and suspension system is supposed to be. Again, I haven't actually driven an SRT-6 so I can't speak directly to your points, however...
I regularly do freeway off ramps (and street and highway cornering) at much, much more than the posted speed and my little unit has never offered as much as a twitch, regardless of how antiquated it's steering and suspension system is supposed to be. Again, I haven't actually driven an SRT-6 so I can't speak directly to your points, however...
Also, one odd thing to me is that MSN Autos lists the SRT-6 coupe at 3240 lbs, and the SLK32 at 3220 lbs. I've always wondered why having a fixed roof somehow made the SRT6 heavier.
But who knows, either there's more government-mandated safety equipment, or those numbers aren't accurate...