Damn dude.. jealous ?

 

Doc, you're more than right. I may have misinterpreted, I was under the impression he meant track like a proper road course. I know absolutely nothing about drag racing.

 

Teck-9, you have made so many inaccurate statements in this thread it is laughable. You evidently have a lot to learn. You might be well advised to know what you are talking about before you speak. As an example.... Every reference that you have made about rev limited speeds has nothing to do with the rev limiter on the car. You are referencing theoretical speeds, not rev limited speeds. I would go on, but most people on here are well aware of all the other inaccuracies that you have stated.

 

Boiler, I parked next to one the other day, (I used to lust after them also), gotta tell ya.....side by side Fred was better looking!!

 

No thirteendog, you are spot on. I don't care about going in a straight line over and over again. As for my speed figures, take your rear tire sizes 255 35 19. do the math and you get the height of your side walls in mm and convert to inches, and add to the 19 inch size of the rims. Then multiply by pie to get the circumference of the wheel and divide the number of inches in a mile. When out limiter is removed, the most our engines can safely run at is 6200 rpms. our top gear is .83 and our final drive is 3.27. do the math, without lowering the final drive ratio, the highest speed we can hit is 176. car can be rev limited if your horsepower to aerodynamics is more than enough to push your car past its rpm limit or drag limited if your rev limited speed is higher than your that your cars horsepower can can push its aerodynamics to. I know those figures and facts are correct. with all of TVT's N/A bolt-ons, the N/A can at most put 220 hp to the ground. that gets our aerodynamics into the low to mid 160's at best. I'm still not sure about how all of the aspects with handling work though. And when motortrend compares the viper to playing ping pong with a ball-bat, i wonder if even with an experienced driver if the viper can out handle a German track sports car. Im still unsure bout all that stuff, but I know my top speed facts are correct. I wonder how an XF would handle if I dropped the weight down to 2600 lbs. No airbags, lightweight race seats, steering wheel, insulation, AC, and sound system gone. umm door panels and dash boards gaaaone. lightweight wheels. roof liner gone. Im gongi about this all wrong. Instead of gaining power, I'm gonna loose weight. Also gonna drop some things that make all of this power loss. The A/C sucks power even while off, what else don't we need that takes power?

 

I agree, but the M coupe has some ponies that Fred, and anything short of a modded SRT does not have, but it also has the headaches of BMW and expense of an aging M vehicle, for now, I will stick with the XF as well

 

Oh and thirteendog, the turbo charged srt makes more power than the 55K engine.

 

You are missing the whole point, yes on a dyno and when bragging, it makes more power, but I have yet to see it actually put down a decent time on a run. Wonder why there is only 1 running around? Brian is a pioneer, and I am waiting to see if they can ever get it all running the way they want to. Useable power is great, almost all the SRTs ponies are useable, but get a viper around a road course and you have the feather the throttle to keep the *** end from coming around because its handling leaves something to be desired, it is heavy as hell, and it has lots of torque.

 

You also must realize that the Turbo on poop shoots car doesn't become effective until 60mph. Oh and no offense to Brian, but at the moment his turbo setup has the looks of a Picasso. Anyway he's spent more than what it would cost to have Rudy drop in a SL55 motor.

 

I think everyone knows that our cars aren't exactly "fast".

 

I'll point one out.

There's one. The base and the N/A (possibly the SRT6, but don't quote me on that) have all the same structural rigidity. The only thing the base doesn't have that the N/A does is leather heated seats, a subwoofer, silver trim, two-tone colors, TPMS... and that's all I can think of right now.


Other than that, this thread is just a lot of misinformation, bragging, and complaining.

But yes, the XF is one of the most structurally rigid cars in the world. I have the article somewhere, but Chrysler I think stated that the car has more structural rigidity than an Abrams tank.

 

Teck-9, I'm sorry to say this but I think you're looking at this all wrong. Clearly the Crossfire isn't the car for you and I'm sorry that you bought this car without doing your homework first.

Instead of fantasizing about how to make it faster by adding power or reducing weight and what car(s) would go faster around the track, why don't you take your car to a track for a HPDE session and learn how to use it as is? Maybe it won't feel as slow as you think it is when you learn how to actually use the car. Maybe you'll enjoy the XF more. Maybe you'll learn a few things about the car and start posting relevant information.

Or... Sell the Crossfire and buy a Z4 M Coupe (yet another German 2 seat, fastback coupe... ) and start posting on BMW forums instead.

 

+1 and well said. A faster car is not what you need, instead you must find how to drive with what you have. Plus you'll have one hell of a time too.

 

You're missing his point.

The Crossfire is ungodly slow at 150 mph top speed.
He wants to be able to do about 190, by everything he has said in this thread.

There aren't any good tracks near him where he can get his Criper up to his preferred speed of 190 mph, so its a waste to tell him to take his car to an actual racetrack with a top of the heap road course on it.

Unless his racetrack is going to be I-70 between Kansas City and Denver.

BC.

 

I remember being 20 and having dreams and theorizing about all kinds of stuff...however, there was no internet back then to publicly post some of the more off the wall ideas and thoughts. I say cut the kid some slack

With that being said, I do agree with other members - if you're so curious about what would win, take your car to an actual road course and see how the car does. Or quite honestly - see how you do. You may find that your car is fast enough to make you $hit your pants while you gain skills. If you find you need more, then go for the SRT6. With mods, it's highly unlikely you'll ever need anything faster!

As far as which 3 cars would be faster around a road course, I would have to say it depends on the course! My guess is that on a shorter tighter course the SRT6 would give the viper a run for its money, but on a course with a couple nice straights, the sheer power and acceleration of the viper would give it the advantage.

 

Oh how silly of me! In that case, I think Teck-9 should reconsider his mode of transportation. Instead of getting a faster car, he should buy a fighter plane! Those are REALLY fast in a straight line!

 

well, the fighter jet will take turns as well, problem is, they pull more g's than any car in a turn, so you aren't awake to enjoy it....lol...and yes, his youth is showing quite a bit...that's why I cut him some slack...

 

Granted that its only been 16 years since I was 20, but I was living on my own, had my own job with its own responsibilities, lived over 3k miles away from my parents, and was responsible for my own expenses.

I certainly didn't try and convince anyone that my 81 Pontiac Grand Prix could be as good as a Corvette if I just dropped its engine and transmission into it, even if Richard Petty made himself very famous and rich by driving his #43 car around all sorts of different racetracks at 180 mph on a regular basis.

If he wants to do an engine swap, that's perfectly fine.
How about he starts a thread, and determines what engine he wants to put in it, and asks the people who have done that swap before for some pros and cons of the easiest engines to swap in, along with sources and prices.

All the additional written diarrhea isn't needed, and I know I didn't do that 16 years ago, and our other younger forum members don't do that, currently.

There's cutting someone some slack for being young and unknowledgeable, and then there's pointing out that someone is spewing garbage that isn't accurate and full of outrageous claims and boasting.

Maybe its just because I don't have any kids, that I can't accept a lot of the stuff he says on here. I wonder if its the same thing with the other forum members who have pointed out the holes in his stories? Maybe you parental members have more tolerance than us non-parental members?

BC.

 

lol. i won't deny any of that, but you're all reading into me way to much. My major is criminal justice and my minor is homeland security. those degrees don't include automotive. I simply want the best way to bring out the cars potential, no other car really fits me. I kinda have to always have it. I see tremendous potential in the car. I did do some homework and saw that with an AMG engine and performance suspension that this could run with the best. I just have such a burning desire to bring out the cars potential and not half the knowledge needed to do so. I knew I was gonna put a new engine in, but I didn't realize that the one it came with was so underpowered. But I guess since all cars deal with that power loss, nothings changed. After some thinking, I've concluded that this car just fits me and I'm very sentimentally attached to mine, so im not just gonna buy an srt6. I'm going to build the one I have, however complicated or costly it gets,(commitment, Now there's something that you don't see to often with a 20 year old. ) I am going to see #13437 to my goals and be committed because I made 2 promises to her. 1. I would never sell her and 2. I would make her realize her potential. Crazy, huh? Its a ***** being anti-social. Oh and iXBrian, our cars are exactly fast, just not crazy fast enough to satisfy my craziness.........yet. The Z4 M coupe is not a fastback and BTW bladecutter, my racetracks are I-75 and 696 between 1 and 3 a.m. Sorry if my dreaming and goals and striving made anybody who's too afraid to dream feel insecure or unhappy.

 

Teck-9: Strange how nick-names work out. Pull the trigger on a Tec-9 and you hit nothing. Your comments here seemed to score zero. You know all the buzz words and irrellevent facts and figures but have come up short on the whys and wherefores of owning a Crossfire.
The car is not an Indy car, neither is it made to jump through burning hoops. It is quicker and faster than 99% of all other vehicles out there, but most owners rearely choose to try and establish new Land Speed Records.
The Crossfire is what it is, one of the most beautiful cars ever put on four wheels and a greater head-turner than all of those other "Dee-lukes" vehicles you have salivated over.
Take a deep breath, relax, put an ad in one of those free car catalogs that can be found in most ham and egg diners. You'll sell it in short order and then be able to indulge your fantasies elsewhere. But your brand of verbal masturbation has just about run it's course here. No more explanations of what you really meant are needed. Silence is golden. Good bye.