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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Here is my first problem with my week old 05 xf
I can open the top manually by unlocking it from the inside of the trunk with no problem at all and I can close it back automatically by pressing down at the button.
So i took out all the plastic parts from the windshield area and checked the sensor on the passenger side, works.
I disabled the trunk spacer sensor so it thinks that the spacer is on the place all the time.
What else can I do?
Ohhh also, once I put the 'top' down, i started to put it up little by little and open it back and forth. I can put the 'top' up about %80 and I still can open it back by the button, but if I put it up all the way, it doesnt go down anymore.
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Thanks for the help in advance
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:03 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

I had this problem when I got our car last year...check the switch on the driver's side, about mid-way...if it's busted, the top won't work...
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lildaddym
I had this problem when I got our car last year...check the switch on the driver's side, about mid-way...if it's busted, the top won't work...
+1 to that - was just looking it up in the schematics ......
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:26 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

I was wrong...it's the passenger side... Sorry!
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:28 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

Originally Posted by lildaddym
I was wrong...it's the passenger side... Sorry!
Thought so, but couldn't recall .....
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

Thank you for the fast reply!!!
So I wasted my whole night and at least 10 beers, searching for the problem on a wrong spot! hahaha
Can you please tell me exactly where the switch is?
I am adding pictures of the spot also.
Thank you again.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:54 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

You will have to have the top open, at least the first little bit to see it, but it's on the passenger side, about midway, between the top and the frame...it's a sliding switch...
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 04:25 PM
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If you sit in the passenger seat and open the top, turn your head to the right about 45 degrees - you will be looking almost directly at the switch.

Release the top from the winssheild frame, push it up and away from the frame.
Get out of the car, go around to passenger side.
If you look at the top just above where the passenger's head would be, you will see the switch mounted on the frame and it's plunger will be sticking out, because the top is open.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hokkabaz
Thank you for the fast reply!!!
So I wasted my whole night and at least 10 beers, searching for the problem on a wrong spot! hahaha
Can you please tell me exactly where the switch is?
I am adding pictures of the spot also.
Thank you again.
I'll take a guess and say you are in Australia, the clue being your pictures are upside down.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
I'll take a guess and say you are in Australia, the clue being your pictures are upside down.
And this is our smart member!...

On the bright side.. I found you a new avatar!

 

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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 08:30 PM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

I think I found the switch thanks to your help,
I was checking out the switch but it didn't make the 'click' sound so I will be replacing it tonight and see what happens

Ohhh BTW, my pictures are not upside down, everything else is
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 08:35 PM
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That's the switch!
 
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hokkabaz
I think I found the switch thanks to your help,
I was checking out the switch but it didn't make the 'click' sound so I will be replacing it tonight and see what happens

Ohhh BTW, my pictures are not upside down, everything else is
You are Australian ! It clearly is labeled 'POM' right there in the first picture .
Either comes from 'prisoner of mother England' or pomigranite - a reddish coloured fruit that native Australians (Aboriginals) thought had a similar colour to the skin of sunburnt Brits.
Not meant to be an insult (as some English think for some reason), merely a nickname for our less-tanned former rulers. Nicknaming everything is very Australian.
 

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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 01:43 AM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

So, I opened the top half way and took the switch out, connected the cables together without putting the switch back, and everything works perfect!
Thank you for all the help
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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Anyone know the part # for the switch? Thank you in advance.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 08:48 AM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

SOMEONE did publish it here in a thread about a year ago... their switch had cracked/fallen apart.

But to find that post...
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by autumnmass
Anyone know the part # for the switch? Thank you in advance.
I will check it in few hours for you, i also have the pictures of it, which might help, but you don't have to replace it, that switch tells the system to don't open the top unless the hook(i don't know how to call it, the thing you turn to push the top up in the beggining) is disengaged, since I disabled the switch, even if i touch the top down button by mistake, it is trying to open it, which is not harmful as I experience yesterday....i opened/closed probably about 50 times, and did all the stupid stuff which 'might' hurt the mechanism, but nothing happens at all!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 09:49 AM
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Actually, there is a switch in the windshield head liner that, once you turn the handle, tells the BCM to lower the windows and tells the TCM that you have unlatched the top.

Then, the switch you disabled works in series with the switch in the trunk - if the trunk divider is deployed AND the switch you bypassed is closed, the pump is allowed to run.
THe purpose of the switch in the trunk is, of course, to assure that the divider is positioned properly. The switch you bypassed is to assure the top is released completely from the windshield frame. That is, it assures that the top is "pushed up" from the frame and is ready to fold properly into the storage area.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:09 AM
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Default Re: convertible top closes but doesnt open

Originally Posted by pizzaguy
SOMEONE did publish it here in a thread about a year ago... their switch had cracked/fallen apart.

But to find that post...
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BUT !!! Seems the dealers are extremely proud of this part :
Prices range from $97 to $135 ......
 
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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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I wonder if that switch would be available thru Digi-Key or MCM? If so, price would be around $4.
 
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