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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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I don't know about the 2 - 4 inches, but I can feel the downforce at 70-80, and it really squats over 100 mph. I don't understand why you would buy a performer like the SRT6 and remove performance enhancing parts. I am looking to add performance but the lack of aftermarket upgrades limits us.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by alexgchris
I bought a Sapphire SRT-6 Coupe a week ago. I also think the wing is too boy racerish. I do drive my cars fast so I emailed CTD for data comparing the downforce of their rear diffuser (its like a tray under the car) to the regular wing and the SRT wing; I hope they respond.

I want to add that in deciding whether 40 pounds of downforce is significant, you need to know if that's the cumulative effect. ie is that net compared to say a lift factor of 100 pound without the wing which would mean the wing has a 140 pound effect OR does the wing reduce 100 pounds of lift to 60.

I'll post any answer I get from CTD. Vmaxx also sells diffusers.
Hmmm. Let me guess. You bought that sapphire SRT-6 in Naples and drove it back to Orlando, right? When they were down to two SRT's, I decided on the Aero. And then you bought the Sapphire. So you and I got a GR8 deal...
I hear you have a tricked 300 Hemi ?
 
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Old Mar 15, 2007 | 11:52 AM
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Hello Innercool,

I like your double entendre alia.

I’m not the guy you think I am. I bought mine from Continental Chrysler Jeep in Illinois. It had just under 10,000 miles. I got an 80,000 mile 8 year extended warranty, paid $24k ($25,800 with taxes etc.). Is that a good deal? The SRT-6 replaced? an Audi RS4 that got T Boned and totaled with only 298 miles on it. Before the Audi was a tricked out ’01 Saab Viggen and before that a one of a kind ’87 Porsche 944 Turbo with a 16 valve head, Andial stroker crank, Carillo rods, etc.

My other car is a '64 Mercedes 230SL that I race in the vintage class here in Illinois.

I wish you good fortune with your Aero,


Alex
 
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Old Mar 15, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alexgchris
Hello Innercool,

I bought mine from Continental Chrysler Jeep in Illinois. It had just under 10,000 miles. I got an 80,000 mile 8 year extended warranty, paid $24k ($25,800 with taxes etc.). Is that a good deal?
Sounds like a good deal to me.

Say, have you or INNERCOOL posted the last 5 digits of your VIN here:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...268#post120268

We're trying to build a production database/spreadsheet for the SRT6s.

Also, interested in going to Motown in August with at least 14 other Crossfires?
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...ad.php?t=14297
 
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Old Mar 15, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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Yes, a good deal, Alex. You're not the guy I thought, but we've got some interesting parallels. I had the first Hoppen Motorsports S4. I drove a SAAB Turbo in the 80's. And, I enjoy my (used) SLK320 Designo with a 6-speed... How does your 230SL run?
 
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Old Mar 15, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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RPM,
Thanks for the heads up; I just posted my car.
I'm interested in Motown, checking for conflict with vintage races.

Innercool,
The 230SL is slow, challenging to drive fast, and fun for this 65 year old vintage driver. Laptimes:
Blackhawk Farms in South Beloit IL: 1:31+
Road America, Elkhart Lake WI: 3:10+
Autobahn Country Club, Joliet IL: 1:59+
I'm one of the few that sometimes drives the car to the track as well as on the street.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 01:09 AM
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does srt6 wing raise & lower like the other models?
 
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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jp1
does srt6 wing raise & lower like the other models?
No. It is permanently fixed in place.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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i have to agree on the srt wing, i hate to say, it looks well kind of like a rx7. i'm just waiting for a srt engine to become available and i'll put it in my ltd roadster, that would be the best combo of looks and power in my opinion.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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I sent an email to CTD as follows:
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2007 00:49
An: info@ctd-germany.com
Betreff: Rear Diffusor for Chrysler Crossfire
Please provide the downforce and resistance figures for
1) the standard Crossfire spoiler when deployed
2) the Crossfire SRT-6 spoiler
3) the CTD Rear Diffusor
Could the diffuser eliminate the need for a spoiler?
How may I obtain a Rear Diffusor and other CTD products here in the USA?
Thank you,
Alex Christopher

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dear mr. christopher,
sorry, but we don’t have any downforce or resistance figures. the original rear wing produce the main downforce on top speed for the rear axle. a rear diffusor don’t produce this much downforce.
you can order directly from us. shipping to the US is only 40 euro for this set.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Tino Güttler
Inhaber/Owner
CTD-Germany
Tel: +49 (0) 511 2611684
Fax: +49 (0) 511 2611686


 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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Thanks for sharing that info.
I think we will find to be true what we have already guessed.
The rear wing is effective only for posturing, at least as far as legal speeds on US highways.
They had to come up with something that looks different, to differentiate the SRT-6 and the wing definitely does that.
Is it effective on the highway? Maybe, but only then at the very top reaches of the speedo.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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um i think it has plenty effect on anything over 65, just like everyone said, it will stop you from swinging.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Is it effective on the highway? Maybe, but only then at the very top reaches of the speedo.
False. To be quite honest, I can feel it from anything over 55 to 75. At 70 the car begins to squat down and only gets more stable. If you will never be going on a freeway, go ahead and remove your wing all together. May your guardian angel be with you if you ever have to go more than 50 in a turn.

I really felt the difference on the track, especially at anything over 50. The car already has wonderful weight distribution (55/45) and doesn't like to get a loose rear in hard turns. I think it would be more loose if you didn't have that wing.

I don't have any problems with visibility on the wing either. If you can't see their headlights, then they are probably too close anyway as it only blocks your lowest portion of the hatch window.

Remember also that the suspension on the SRT6 is stiffer and will allow the back to slide easier than the Base and Limited models that will simply let the body roll a bit more to dig in.

INNERCOOL... I hope you find the right balance to your quandary.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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Yep I was like others when I got the SRT I thought about taking off the wing. BUT after driving it a few weeks the wife and I both think its really cool and sets it off to the other Crossfires. I hate to say it now we even think the other wing looks just kind of cheesy to us now.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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Oh and I personally think the wing design reflects the style and class of the car and looks not at all 'Ricer' or 'Racer-boy'.

Each person has their own opinion about that...
 
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 09:45 PM
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The wing is there for a reason, and as most here have indicated it is not merely cosmetic. Regardless of the down force numbers, removing it will induce some issues while driving at speeds above 60 mph.

Audi ran into the same issue with the introduction of the TT and VW the Beatle where at high speed the rear end would lift, and in some cases was the identified reason for several accidents forcing them to alter the design with a wing in year two.

Considering that the chassis limitation is 186 mph I am sure the wing becomes more important as you reach the right half of the speedo, so don't feel bad if we don't ask for any one here to be an experimental crash test dummy.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Romio
I know that in the manual it says to no operate the car over 57 mph, the speed at which it activates, without the wing activated, because you might lose control and have less stability. But i doubt the wing really does much at that speed. I think i read somewhere it adds 40 pounds of downforce at 100 mph. which isn't much, but it better than nothing
srt-6 wings don't "activate", they are just there.
 
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Old May 8, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Is the SRT-wing replaceable with the retractable version from the standard or limited edition models? If yes - how involved would it? Is the wiring harness there - is the trigger for the extension installed and just need to be activated? Does somebody know the part #'s and cost?
My local Chrysler dealer said it couldn't be done since the car wouldn't have enough down force.Sounded to me more like - our technicians don't like to be bothered with this issue.

HJM
 
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Old May 8, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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You could switch the whole hatch to one from a limited if you didn't want the big whale-tail spoiler, but it wouldn't be functional since the ECU programs are different. But you might be able the wire the motor up manually.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 02:29 AM
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I didn't like the SRT6 wing at first either, but it grew on me real quick, now I love it. My 04's retractable wing blocks my visibility more than the permanent SRT6 wing. It only blocks a small part of the lower window. Even if you could see through that part, it wouldn't help you see what's behind you any better.
 
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