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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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I was so excited to get the fans on the heat exchanger and see just what they will do, I figured I'd post up a couple of pic's for the guy's that don't look at the Tech & Mod section much.
Moving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans-p1020497.jpgMoving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans-p1020495.jpgMoving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans-p1020498.jpg
 
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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I was so excited to get the fans on the heat exchanger and see just what they will do, I figured I'd post up a couple of pic's for the guy's that don't look at the Tech & Mod section much.
Definitely more than enough room Steve. I'm excited for you. I'm not sure if that will make you any extra power, but colder IC air will at least lower your IATs and increase knock resistance.
 

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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 06:25 PM
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So are you running a tstat to activbate the fans only when the temps increase or are you just running them "on" at all times?
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 01:09 AM
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So are you running a tstat to activbate the fans only when the temps increase or are you just running them "on" at all times?
I'm installing a nice digital Cyberdyne temperture gauge for the HE, there was a 1/8" NPT (plugged) hole on the drivers side for a sending unit. The fans will be operated by remote control with a key fob like I done my TC & ESP/BAS, (fuses 17 & 18). Here's the gauge, (still waiting on it). http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...0002_358763_-1
And here's the relay, installed and wiring complete. http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi...C_15_AMP_.html I also am installing a red or green LED on the mount of the gauge pod so that I know the fans are on, (I've got the wiring already ran for it). Probably wouldn't need the light though, those two 330 CFM fans are quite loud. I considered running them off a tstat, but I thought I'd rather have control over them. You can check out pic's and what and how I'm doing it in the Tech & Mod section, thread titled - "Moving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans". I was just so excited to see how much air the fans pulled I had to post up a couple pic's in the SRT section for the people that don't hit the Tech & Mod section.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 06:44 AM
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Great work Steve,

I agree with your idea for the remote on/off for the fans. As I recall those Indiana summers can get quite hot and the fans will come in handy. I also think that this is would be a trick setup for 1/4 mile track when you spend so much time in line and staging - keeping those IC coolant temps down prior to launch.

Are you going to pillar mount the gauge head? I could not find a decent pillar pod set for the XF - so I purchased a universal pod for my boost gauge.

One thing I found interesting after installing the boost gauge - when I am (normal street legal) city driving, the SC clutch never engages and I am pulling air thru the SC screws and registering vacuum VS Boost.

Keep up the good work!!
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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Great work Steve,

I agree with your idea for the remote on/off for the fans. As I recall those Indiana summers can get quite hot and the fans will come in handy. I also think that this is would be a trick setup for 1/4 mile track when you spend so much time in line and staging - keeping those IC coolant temps down prior to launch.

Are you going to pillar mount the gauge head? I could not find a decent pillar pod set for the XF - so I purchased a universal pod for my boost gauge.

One thing I found interesting after installing the boost gauge - when I am (normal street legal) city driving, the SC clutch never engages and I am pulling air thru the SC screws and registering vacuum VS Boost.

Keep up the good work!!
Thanks Brian, I mounted the gauge pod in the only hole in the padded part of the knee bolster, right below the ignition switch. So I didn't drill any holes, it took a 3" #12 machine screw to reach all the way thru and I just removed the clip that the OEM screw went in. I'm also mounting a small LED on the gauge pod that will tell me when the fans are on, but they are loud enough I should be able to hear them 660-CFM total.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 09:03 AM
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Steve,

So those fans are behind the Intercooler radiator and in front of your AC condensor? That's pretty trick.

Here's the rub, your flow won't be quite as high with stuff on the other side of the fans. It should still be more than adequate for your needs though.

Nice job, I'll keep that in mind when I upgrade my Intercooler system.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sonoronos
... I'm not sure if that will make you any extra power...
It should since the AIT would technically be cooler which the computer would see and in turn keep the timing in it.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Steve,

So those fans are behind the Intercooler radiator and in front of your AC condensor? That's pretty trick.

Here's the rub, your flow won't be quite as high with stuff on the other side of the fans. It should still be more than adequate for your needs though.

Nice job, I'll keep that in mind when I upgrade my Intercooler system.
Quite truthfully if you check out the post & pic's in the Tech & Mods section of the forum titled "Moving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans" you'll see that there is only a little over an inch of clearance between the heat exchanger and AC condenser. So when your radiator cooling fan comes on it's not going to pull any air thru the heat exchanger with all the other free air around for it to suck up and the condencer being so close it probably does a little blocking itself. I agree with you though, the fans will block a little at highway speeds, but probably not much. The main thing I was chasing after was to get the temps down at slow speeds that's when you want more power anyway or sitting at idol, you know, like a drag strip . Running down the road at 50 or 60 MPH isn't when you may need that extra juice anyway IMO. The main reason I'm installing the temp gauge is to see just how much cooler the car will run at slow speeds with and without the fans.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment Jody .
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Hellums
Quite truthfully if you check out the post & pic's in the Tech & Mods section of the forum titled "Moving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans" you'll see that there is only a little over an inch of clearance between the heat exchanger and AC condenser. So when your radiator cooling fan comes on it's not going to pull any air thru the heat exchanger with all the other free air around for it to suck up and the condencer being so close it probably does a little blocking itself. I agree with you though, the fans will block a little at highway speeds, but probably not much. The main thing I was chasing after was to get the temps down at slow speeds that's when you want more power anyway or sitting at idol, you know, like a drag strip . Running down the road at 50 or 60 MPH isn't when you may need that extra juice anyway IMO. The main reason I'm installing the temp gauge is to see just how much cooler the car will run at slow speeds with and without the fans.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment Jody .
Let us know when its all finished up. Defintitely interested in your actual results via the temp gauge.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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Let us know when its all finished up. Defintitely interested in your actual results via the temp gauge.
It might be a while before it gets a good true test this time of the year in Indiana . It's been from 1 and not above 30 degrees for the past two or three weeks here. The older I get the more I hate the cold winter weather here in Indiana. There's a saying about Indiana," if you don't like the weather, stick around it'll change". And that no crap either, I've seen it above 70 in January and darn near 30 in July.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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I got the tempeture gauge installed today, fired up the car to let it warm up to make sure it was working. I got the car up to operating tempeture and the gauge on the heat exchanger only went up to 110 degree's after about 15 minute of idleing and revving it up. I was really hoping to get the tempeture higher than that so I could check the sending unit to make sure it was not leaking before I put the front back on the car. I was wondering if some one could confirm my thought's on something about the cooling system. Since the engine cooling system & the S/C cooling system are combined together through the overflow resevior, if the engine is at normal operating tempeture & pressure, wouldn't the heat exchanger have the same pressure as the engine system? Also does any body know at what tempeture the I/C pump come on or what tell's it to, I never could hear or could tell if it was running? I'll try to post up a few pic's of the gauge pod & fan indicatior light tomorrow.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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Steve,

When I got home from a "spirited" canyon run, I placed the oil temp probe from my Sporty into the coolant tank.

Just for Sh*ts & Giggles.


 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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BTW - I was driving the SRT not riding the Sporty!!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 03:45 AM
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Steve,

When I got home from a "spirited" canyon run, I placed the oil temp probe from my Sporty into the coolant tank.

Just for Sh*ts & Giggles.


I was just worried about where I screwed in the sending unit possably leaking, any time I thread something into plastic I get conserned about a leak. The car is'nt drivable the way it sit's right now, so I can't take it out for a drive to get the S/C system temp's up to check for a leak. But after thinking about it I thought pressure is what I need and since the systems are tied together at the overflow resevior, the heat exchanger sould have the same pressure as the radiator. I was just wanting somebody to confirm my thoughts, and hoping someone could tell me when the S/C pump come's on because I couldn't hear it running.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 05:28 AM
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I finally recieved and installed the temp gauge yesterday here is a couple pic's of the gauge, there's more in the Tech & Mod section @
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...519#post192519
Moving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans-p1020505.jpgMoving The HE Forward To Add Cooling Fans-p1020515.jpg
 
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hey steve I was looking at some things last night after pulling my front grill off. My intercooler system is working good, but I wan't to clean it up and get rid of the lines under the car, becasue I'm tired of people thinking I have nitrous. I think I may be able to fit this between the fron grill and the transmission cooler.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

it's a 900CFM fan which I would liked to be on a switch/relay along with the stock fan possibly. I'm gonnna need all the help I can get keeping things cool this summer once I get my ASP pulley's on. I would just run this mini cooler in series with our factory cooler as long as I can fit it in there.
Anyone have some thoughts on it?
 
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Old May 19, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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hey steve...............
Are you wanting to run the s/c coolant through that? Making sure i understand correctly.
 
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Old May 19, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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yes, in series with the factory heat exchanger. The 6an line size may choke it down a bit but with my Johnson cm30 pump it may be a good thing. I currently have over 30 ft of extra hose and the johnson pump can push 22ounces of water through the entire system in a matter of seconds What I have now works, but it isn't pretty with all the hoses under the car, which is why I want to try a different route with this fan cooler. As an added bunus the fan may also help cool the tranny cooler and radiator
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 02:55 AM
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hey steve I was looking at some things last night after pulling my front grill off. My intercooler system is working good, but I wan't to clean it up and get rid of the lines under the car, becasue I'm tired of people thinking I have nitrous. I think I may be able to fit this between the fron grill and the transmission cooler.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

it's a 900CFM fan which I would liked to be on a switch/relay along with the stock fan possibly. I'm gonnna need all the help I can get keeping things cool this summer once I get my ASP pulley's on. I would just run this mini cooler in series with our factory cooler as long as I can fit it in there.
Anyone have some thoughts on it?
I was looking at about the same thing before I bought what I did. I called the guy (company) that had them to get some measurements and told him what I was going to do with it. He said he didn't think it would help much, mainly because of the way the fins are around the piping ( he was a radiator guy). I thought they may have worked ok, but he knew more about the cooling effect it would have than I did, so I went with what I did.
 
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