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Old Jun 1, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Is that the same as saying you'll sit back and watch?
Where did you get that one?
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Originally Posted by amg-jerry
......with 7lbs less boost I might add.

More to come
That's what I was looking for! Guys, excellent job! I am super... I mean turbo excited over this build!

Did you read that Montana? More power with less boost. Isn't it a crazy world we live in today?
 

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Old Jun 1, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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I have to say, I was there and saw him run, wow is all I have to say. The potential for power is absolutely amazing with this setup. There are still some bugs to work out, but I have no doubts that they will all be worked out in due time. Next is Turboing the NA, I will volunteer mine for any free parts or wrenching anyone wants to do LOL

Looks good guys, glad I came out.



 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
That's what I was looking for! Guys excellent job. I am super... I mean turbo excited over this build!

Did you read that Montana? More power with less boost. Isn't it a crazy world we live in today?
Yes there has never been a doubt that a belt driven Super charger robs some horse power!
I just hate to see a rare Beautiful Car to become bastardised and distroyed for future ownership. I would be faar more behind the project if it were a N/A Crossfire.
This is not unlike my 04' red Limited that I spoke to STS before anyone else had gone down the turbo road.
Joe Loftus (no relation) and I discussed several options from single to dual. Where we ran into problems was the lack of tuning available on the Crossfire. Needless to say I ended up going the SRT direction.
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Old Jun 1, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Illegal Machine
He's already catching enough flack for running a 13.3 on its first run with obviously no boost off the line, and no traction shortly after.
Which is utterly ridiculous considering the car is essentially more stock then stock (if that makes sense)!? I mean he's running half the amount of boost as a stock SRT and running the stock SRT times (13.5 as noted by a few publications).

I know a handful of folks have dipped into the high 12s in stock trim but consider once the low boost at launch is figured out. Less boost also means less engine wear, less fuel consumption, no more jerky supercharger clutch engagement... This is truly awesome ****!!!
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 04:39 PM
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Holy lag what turbo he using that thing lags big time... that is impressive that with that horrible launch/lag the car still pulled a mid 13.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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Wheres the vid of the 13.3 run?

I see tuning becoming a major issue. Hopefully Jerry can figure it all out. Dont need a race gas only car or laggy 450whp car.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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I assume the turbo is mounted so it can use the stock intercooler? An intercooler will be a must when you start cranking up the boost. However I would be concerned about the heat generated where it sits. Any thoughts as how you are going to eliminate the heat? Otherwise it is an interesting concept. I understand starting with the SRT. Much more work or alot lower boost will be necessary for the NA guys.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Thanks for everyones support and input.... I hope to have faster times to show you guys after Mopar Midwest Nationals on the 12th if the car is ready.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
Which is utterly ridiculous considering the car is essentially more stock then stock (if that makes sense)!? I mean he's running half the amount of boost as a stock SRT and running the stock SRT times (13.5 as noted by a few publications).

I know a handful of folks have dipped into the high 12s in stock trim but consider once the low boost at launch is figured out. Less boost also means less engine wear, less fuel consumption, no more jerky supercharger clutch engagement... This is truly awesome ****!!!
100% agreed.

Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
Wheres the vid of the 13.3 run?

I see tuning becoming a major issue. Hopefully Jerry can figure it all out. Dont need a race gas only car or laggy 450whp car.
In my opinion, the one MAJOR issue is going to be fuel. If they can throw some meth on there, it will help a lot.

I'm also curious about the intercooler set up.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by REVIT93RX7
I assume the turbo is mounted so it can use the stock intercooler? An intercooler will be a must when you start cranking up the boost. However I would be concerned about the heat generated where it sits. Any thoughts as how you are going to eliminate the heat? Otherwise it is an interesting concept. I understand starting with the SRT. Much more work or alot lower boost will be necessary for the NA guys.
Considering the stock ic is water to air, im pretty sure they have aftermarket air to air fmic.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Crossfire
Yes there has never been a doubt that a belt driven Super charger robs some horse power!
I just hate to see a rare Beautiful Car to become bastardised and distroyed for future ownership. I would be faar more behind the project if it were a N/A Crossfire.
This is not unlike my 04' red Limited that I spoke to STS before anyone else had gone down the turbo road.
Joe Loftus (no relation) and I discussed several options from single to dual. Where we ran into problems was the lack of tuning available on the Crossfire. Needless to say I ended up going the SRT direction.
Mike
Turbos!!??!? You can take the boy out of the rice but you can't take the rice out of the boy...
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Montana Crossfire
I just hate to see a rare Beautiful Car to become bastardized and destroyed for future ownership.
i agree, which is why i wouldn't bother with the conversion. i am glad to see mods being made though.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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i agree, which is why i wouldn't bother with the conversion. i am glad to see mods being made though.
I hear what you guys are saying, but you have to admit it's a pretty damn neat project! I would love to see the N/A guys get one now! Then we can all be fast! on a side note, I seriously doubt many SRT guys will make this conversion.
 
Old Jun 1, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by distantpulse
I seriously doubt many SRT guys will make this conversion.
I think your right on that. Unless this turbo kit is:

1) Significantly faster ie. really low 11's atleast

2) Not priced like it was hand crafted by Kleeman himself

3) Its got to feel like it came from the factory turbo'd aka very streetable
 

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Old Jun 1, 2009 | 11:32 PM
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07 coupe stick n/a

will work for turbo
 
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 05XF-LVR
I have to say, I was there and saw him run, wow is all I have to say. The potential for power is absolutely amazing with this setup. There are still some bugs to work out, but I have no doubts that they will all be worked out in due time. Next is Turboing the NA, I will volunteer mine for any free parts or wrenching anyone wants to do LOL
Looks good guys, glad I came out.
Again, I have to ask, why? What exactly is the point of putting a tiny little turbo meant for a 1.8L 4-cylinder on an SRT6 that will generate no more air than the stock supercharger?

Nothing on that car even makes sense. The injectors aren't larger. The ECU has not been modified. If the turbo were replaced with one that would make more than stock power, the engine would detonate in an instant.

How much effort was spent on this exercise in making the SRT6 worse than stock?

As far as "half the boost" and "fast as stock" times, I have to say this - the physics don't lie. There's no way that's physically possible. Someone is either lying about the boost pressure or the 1/4 mile time.
 

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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
Considering the stock ic is water to air, im pretty sure they have aftermarket air to air fmic.
That is correct. The supercharger intercooler was pulled along with the supercharger. Bryan has all his stock stuff packed away nicely.

They left the stock supercharger clutch in the car though...good for a few tenths... haha

They replaced it with a Spearco Intercooler. Air to Air.

I think after a few runs saturday a digital thermometer was showing like a 50 or 60 degree delta between hot side and cold side piping...I know Nazar and Bryan will defiantely be looking for the biggest delta on air temp as possible...a 50 degree drop is a good place to start if you ask me.
 
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sonoronos
Again, I have to ask, why? What exactly is the point of putting a tiny little turbo meant for a 1.8L 4-cylinder on an SRT6 that will generate no more air than the stock supercharger?

Nothing on that car even makes sense. The injectors aren't larger. The ECU has not been modified. If the turbo were replaced with one that would make more than stock power, the engine would detonate in an instant.

How much effort was spent on this exercise in making the SRT6 worse than stock?

As far as "half the boost" and "fast as stock" times, I have to say this - the physics don't lie. There's no way that's physically possible. Someone is either lying about the boost pressure or the 1/4 mile time.
I think the point is just trying to see what can be done, and starting out with a turbo in the easiest possible test case.

The SRT is already set up mechanically and electronically to run under boost. Granted, this is less boost than they are used to with the supercharger, but it's also boost at a different rpm range.

I look at it like scuba diving......when you are first starting to learn you stay close to the top, with reliable equipment, you don't go straight for the deep sea and a pressure suit.

By using a SRT bigger injectors shouldn't be neccessary until you get to higher boost or messed up A/F ratios. I also don't think that thing will blow up with higher boost as the SRT guys have already been trying different pulleys, and a few have even run with stacked pulleys without a problem.
 
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sonoronos
Again, I have to ask, why? What exactly is the point of putting a tiny little turbo meant for a 1.8L 4-cylinder on an SRT6 that will generate no more air than the stock supercharger?

Nothing on that car even makes sense. The injectors aren't larger. The ECU has not been modified. If the turbo were replaced with one that would make more than stock power, the engine would detonate in an instant.

How much effort was spent on this exercise in making the SRT6 worse than stock?

As far as "half the boost" and "fast as stock" times, I have to say this - the physics don't lie. There's no way that's physically possible. Someone is either lying about the boost pressure or the 1/4 mile time.
Because they had this turbo on hand......
It's exciting to me that someone would at least give this a shot, soooooo if they detonate the engine......Oooops !
The Crossfire would not be the car we all know and luv today if someone in the Dalimer engineering department didn't take a crazy idea and run with it.
So nah-sayers at least give the boys a chance here......

Thats just my Dos Centavos
 



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