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EC SC pulley - noise when engine cool

Old Mar 22, 2012 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
The fit on the shaft was tighter on the EC pulley bearing, and it would not result in any cocking, The looser fit on the C3 bearing was easier to assemble.

Any cocking would be a result of the bearing not being pressed in square to the axis.
Your opinion and not what I noted during installation.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACKSRT-6
Your opinion and not what I noted during installation.
My opinion is backed up by the facts, think about it.
 
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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 06:53 PM
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My opinion is backed up by the facts, think about it.
You would need to install one to understand!
 
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Old Mar 22, 2012 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACKSRT-6
You would need to install one to understand!
I have done things like this for years. Been there, done that.

If there was a 1/4" clearance it would fall on, but if there was .0005" clearance you would think it would not go on as it would co ck and lock diagonally until there was sufficient engagement to slide on parallel.

Depending on the width of the part and the diameter, that is the ratio of one to the other, the engagement required to slide would be different. A narrow width and a large diameter will co ck and jamb all the way until it seats and the less clearance there is the worse it is to get on. A thin lubricant helps the situation by keeping the parts separated by the oil film.

Many shafts have a diameter a few thou less at the start to get the other component started. You have probably seen this and realized at the time what it was for.

PS I found you can't use the word co ck. As they say on Top Gear, Oh co ck!
 

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Old Mar 23, 2012 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BLACKSRT-6
Third, the material used by EC did not rust, my early C3 pulley rusted up quickly after install.
I have had mine installed now for a couple of months and I'm already seeing surface rust on the 3 rivet heads and the 3 protruding pins. Would stainless steel have been better there? Perhaps there is a good reason why they used what they did, but they are rusting. I'll keep the rivets buffed and coated with a dab of some kind of product for protection. What would hold up and be good to use there for that? I'm very curious to know what part they're replacing in the pulley for you.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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I have had mine installed now for a couple of months and I'm already seeing surface rust on the 3 rivet heads and the 3 protruding pins. Would stainless steel have been better there? Perhaps there is a good reason why they used what they did, but they are rusting. I'll keep the rivets buffed and coated with a dab of some kind of product for protection. What would hold up and be good to use there for that? I'm very curious to know what part they're replacing in the pulley for you.
mine has rust on those spots as well, put it on before winter and then the car went into storage. maybe 1500 miles on it since install. the difference is spacing i commented about earlier is gone. im guessing the springs in the plate are a bit weaker than the stock ones and at the time is just wasnt equal, after driving it around it rechecked and it was fine. i believe once the RPM's get off idle it levels out.

**on a side not the pulley just to the left of the SC pulley is starting to make a higher pitched noise, a squirt of WD40 on the backside and it goes away immediately. time to replace that pulley? looks fine but at idle with the windows down it bugs me
 

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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 03:37 PM
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mine has rust on those spots as well, put it on before winter and then the car went into storage. maybe 1500 miles on it since install. the difference is spacing i commented about earlier is gone. im guessing the springs in the plate are a bit weaker than the stock ones and at the time is just wasnt equal, after driving it around it rechecked and it was fine. i believe once the RPM's get off idle it levels out.

**on a side not the pulley just to the left of the SC pulley is starting to make a higher pitched noise, a squirt of WD40 on the backside and it goes away immediately. time to replace that pulley? looks fine but at idle with the windows down it bugs me
Maybe a good time to do the PSK, or the less expensive DIY belt wrap mod.
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 03:42 PM
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so that pulley is just a tensioner/guide pulley, no purpose whatsoever? i know why you remove it just not sure why they put it there in the first place
 
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 05:59 PM
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so that pulley is just a tensioner/guide pulley, no purpose whatsoever? i know why you remove it just not sure why they put it there in the first place
That's just where they put it. It's an Idler pulley, meaning that it is there to direct the belt to the next pulley and is placed so it keeps the belt away from itself and other pulleys. The modded version gets you better, more reliable pulleys, and better wrap around the SC pulley to ensure no belt slippage in extreme WOT runs. Robs explanation on the NW site explains this much better than I can.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Fubu, what ever came of this? Did the sound ever go away? I too have this pulley but have yet to install it. I was considering an exchange for the 181 or 185 if these SC pullies are not correct in design. Is there a consensus out on this pulley yet?
I can't keep mine properly spaced. It always changes, inconsistent. I'm thinking it's weak springs, or slight binding, or both? EC hasn't responded back to me. I know others have the same issues. I'd like to resolve this issue. It is a manufacturing issue, and not EC's fault since they had others build these, but we need some resolution here; please.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 05:38 PM
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I can't keep mine properly spaced. It always changes, inconsistent. I'm thinking it's weak springs, or slight binding, or both? EC hasn't responded back to me. I know others have the same issues. I'd like to resolve this issue. It is a manufacturing issue, and not EC's fault since they had others build these, but we need some resolution here; please.
I thought they were all built the same? If they replace part on one, dont they need to upgrade ours aswell? Adding a shim this weekend. If sound still there i will prob ask for a new one. And when delivered, i will install it. If same problem i shall ask myself whether i can live with that sound when engine being cool.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 08:37 PM
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Hi all, a bit of an update with my situation. I installed the pulley saver kit approximately 4 weeks ago and since then, havent heard the noise return.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 10:08 AM
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I have had some clearance issues with the sc pulley since day one. It appears to stick with no clearance. I can push it and move it around to get back to the correct clearance. I now have several shims installed ,and will check it. Drive a few days check it again, and the clearance is different or gone.It appears to stick a bit. I believe the pulley fits too tight. When I first did the install it was so tight I could barely get it on the sc shaft. Right now it is working the best that it has. At least there is always some gap even though one time its a lot (.30+) .The next time its close (.10). The other weird thing since the tune.When I have the a/c on the idle jumps up and down by 300 rpm. Before the tune it was smooth as silk. I turn the a/c off and its fine again. As far as driving the car is a beast and pulls hard from 1200 rpm to the red line.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ModlessG
I have had some clearance issues with the sc pulley since day one. It appears to stick with no clearance. I can push it and move it around to get back to the correct clearance. I now have several shims installed ,and will check it. Drive a few days check it again, and the clearance is different or gone.It appears to stick a bit. I believe the pulley fits too tight. When I first did the install it was so tight I could barely get it on the sc shaft. Right now it is working the best that it has. At least there is always some gap even though one time its a lot (.30+) .The next time its close (.10). The other weird thing since the tune.When I have the a/c on the idle jumps up and down by 300 rpm. Before the tune it was smooth as silk. I turn the a/c off and its fine again. As far as driving the car is a beast and pulls hard from 1200 rpm to the red line.
The pulley fit to the shaft does not affect the action at all as the pulley does not move once the bolt is tightened. The only parts that move are the clutch plate and the spring.

I assume the gaps you mention are fractions of a millimeter and not inches. This would make them .004" and .012" which would appear to be OK, sort of. If I recall correctly the gap should be between .008" to .012"?. Check these figures as Thirteendog has said I'm too old and I guess he figures I am failing mentally.
It has been noted before that the spring is thinner and weaker than the OEM spring.
 

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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 08:05 PM
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any feedback on the problem?? being a failure analysis guy I am just curious.....
I finally got fed up with trying to keep this pulley spaced properly so I removed it and took some pic,'s. Please analyze away. 180,blacksrt also, what do you think? Something is seriously wrong here. It's like the springs are in backward, and binding. I could easily pull the plate away from the pulley(as you can see in the pic.), and there it stays. If I push it back down hard to the back flange of the pulley, it springs back up a small bit. This is the opposite of what it is suppose to do! The OEM plate is extremely difficult to pull away from the pulley and pulls back with major spring strength(as it should be).
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 08:23 PM
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that does look a little strange. I would try and get a replacement from E.C. You should not be able to pull it apart like that.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 08:38 PM
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that does look a little strange. I would try and get a replacement from E.C. You should not be able to pull it apart like that.
What's even crazier is that when pulled apart.......... it stays apart!!
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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Exactly what I noticed, spring tension appears weak. EC has had CJ's pulley for a month, still waiting on the replacement. CJ has had a tough time lately getting EC to respond.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dinasrt
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I finally got fed up with trying to keep this pulley spaced properly so I removed it and took some pic,'s. Please analyze away. 180,blacksrt also, what do you think? Something is seriously wrong here. It's like the springs are in backward, and binding. I could easily pull the plate away from the pulley(as you can see in the pic.), and there it stays. If I push it back down hard to the back flange of the pulley, it springs back up a small bit. This is the opposite of what it is suppose to do! The OEM plate is extremely difficult to pull away from the pulley and pulls back with major spring strength(as it should be).
Ooops...........
 

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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 03:32 PM
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Here is the OEM pulley and the EC pulley.


dinasrt, can you put up a picture taken from the SC side of the clutch plate please.





 
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