ok, i can get a supercharger for my car off a srt6, for $200 bucks. i'm definitely going to buy the supercharger but does anyone know besides the air intake if there's anything different with the srt6 version? i know the engine is lower compression and pistons ect, but i mean like mass air flow sensor, are they different and the computer and injectors. i found out they have the same fuel pump, any input would be nice. i might just have the first supercharged 6 speed, any input would be good input for me, good or bad guys. if i do add the charger i'll be sure to give pics and write down what we did and what went wrong, for others in the future. total including supercharger air intakes and gadgets i'll spend around $627.20 <- not bad until i run into the problems... lol!

 

I would venture to guess that if you bolt the SRT-6 blower on an otherwise stock motor that you're not going to get too many miles out of it before it turns into a grenade. Besides physically bolting the blower on, you have to consider how much you'll need to slow down the blower to compensate for the higher compression. Also ignition retard, extra cooling, supplemental fuel delivery, exhaust plumbing, etc, etc. . .

It might be easier to just buy the SRT-6 and replace the slushbox with a standard 6-speed unit.

 

hddp listed all the parts you need. you will definitely need an intercooler and more fuel, probably could just add an injector...compression shouldn't be a problem, people boost itr's and they are like 11.2 to 1.

 

yeah that's what i was thinking. i'm sure i'll just have to get a tune that's about it. after i get everything, i think the compression won't be a problem since the other kits run on the same compression with out blowing it. i'll probably only run a few psi maybe 4 to 6 with a boost controller and maybe a apex manager.

 

BlownSrt6... will it hook up like this...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...79264680E0.htm

 

make sure you feed it though, your going to need an extra injector at the minimum. i would say better fuel pump and bigger injectors all around and an intercooler and your coolll.

 

yeah i'm going to check out the stock intercooler system and what's involved it that. definitely bigger injectors, i'm thinking a 600cc or so, and a 255 pump.

 

Based on my research, there were a couple of things that put the brakes on the prospect of doing this. The major problem I saw was the custom remap of the computers (ECU FMU) to handle the super charger. It wasn't the hardware, that's the easy part. It was the fact that, as far as I know, no one in the US has the software or capabilities to do a custom remap to make the SC work on the NA engine.

So basically the scenario goes like this, I install all the associated supercharger hardware, plumbing and wiring harnesses from the SRT6. I go to start the car and it runs at idle until I step on the gas and the computer still thinks it's the original NA set-up and starts choking, barfing, whatever.

I need to advance the timing, retard the timing, richen the FAM, lean-out the FAM. How do I do this ? Well I spoke with a lot of companies like MOTEC etc. and they said they can do a custom software program to interface with my computer, it will only cost about $10,000.

So, until you can find someone that has the capabilities of manipulating the computers on the car to tune it properly, I think you're wasting your time. You can't just slap in the ECU from an SRT6 either...

I'm sorry to say, I'll bet the guys who are working on the dual TC in the other thread are going to pull their hair out trying to find the programs that will make their system work on the car. They will have to get in the good graces of someone in Germany to give them the protocols and programming.

Funny thing, the software for the Pontiac Solstice is already available from a half dozen companies, given to them by GM so they can custom tune the cars for just this type of thing.

Now, can you understand my continuing frustration with the Crossfire.

 

did you try getting a TPS that reads boost. i know when you run boots you have to switch the unit in NA cars to Boost cars, just like boosting a na civic to a turbo one. the computer can't read boost so it gets confused with the cars starts boost aka when you put your foot on the petal to rev the engine. its making boost and the computer goes crazy and shuts the car off. try looking up for a sensor that reads boost, its the TPS OR THE MASS AIR FLOW ONE i'm sure its the TPS thought. i know that was the problem we had with a civic and everyone told us we had to get it custom but we spend like 40 bucks at pep boys and never had a problem since.

 

Perhaps you mis-understood, I never followed through with the add-on of the SRT6 supercharger because I was guided by some very knowledgeable people who warned me that unless I had the ability to access and alter the parameters of the computer, I was wasting my $.

I have not found anyone who has this capability or the programs. The only option aside from enlisting the support of DC (which ain't gunna happen) is to do a piggyback system and still I cannot locate a vendor who has the software for this car...

I'm just forewarning you before you start spending money on parts. I've been down this trail a few times already.

 

instead of going after a kleeman charger why doesn't someone contact lkq and have them locate a slk32 motor with all accessories and just do the swap. it seems to me that it would be alot easier to that then to spend 8 to 12 grand on a bolt on that will never have the capability of the hand built amg motor. also i'm sure that it will also be easier to figure out how to go from the auto tranny to the 6 speed, then to try to figure out ecu programs. imho.

 

Every aspect of both the SC install and the engine swap is a mechanical nightmare and EX-PEN-SIVE.

The SC install requires more than just a bolt-on of the extra parts and plumbing. and the engine swap requires more than just dropping in a new motor and bolting in the manual transmission.

 

well how 'bout this for an inspiration, there is a guy in ohio that has taken the brand new pontiac solstice and dropped the new ls6 motor in it (an article can be found in car and driver, p.132, february 2006). thats over 400 hp with a manual trans. now if he can do that why can't we do something similar to our cars? it can't be that tough if people are taking a cheap car like the solstice and turning it into a hell on wheels honest to god barn burner.

 

Would it be any easier if you were looking at just an engine swap in an Auto XF? Leaving the tranny alone?

 

that is mallett cars in berea ohio, they only deal with cars they can make money on. they are one of if not the top corvette tuner in the country.

 

That's a Mallet. They have a huge shop that specializes in dropping big GM motors in small GM cars. $25,000 to put an L6 in a Solstice.

 

Well the answer is that there is nothing stopping anyone from doing this with our cars - it just needs the time, money and the commitment to do it. I would quite happily start up a business doing something like this (MB V8 though) if I thought I could make a living at it, but I really don't believe there is the demand, definitely not over here, and probably not in the US. Sure, everyone says they would do it, but when it comes to actually laying out the cash it all goes very quiet - there were hardly a handful of people willing to pay $$ for a dyno run. If one is serious about doing this sort of thing, you just get on and do it. Just my .02

 

i say if someone did it they should use a HEMI, this is a chrysler after all, and there isn't any n/a v8 mercedes engine that is as powerful and affordable as the hemi...

 

With all due respect, then you're building nearly a new car with new electronics, wiring, drive train components and plumbing and, and, and...

My guess would be $50k and six months of work. Then you may have well dropped the car off at Renntech and wrote a check for the $25k they want for their 400 hp upgrade and get the car back in a month.

 

Yep, I think it would be in that ballpark.

It's kind of what I was getting at, it can be done, but where is the queue of xfire owners beating a path to Renntech, Brabus et al?