I was going to post about my latest build earlier, but I wanted to post the parts list. As an example of how you can go way overboard with a new toy of this nature, I present the following list. I don't have anything assembled yet, still gathering parts. So far I'm $3,251.38 into this AR.

Midway.com:
Midway # Midway Description
152626 Wolff Extra Power Buffer Spring AR-15 Carbine
664713 Wolff Extractor Spring AR-15 Extra Power
579110 MagPul CTR Buttstock Collapsible Mil-Spec Diameter AR-15 Carbine Synthetic Flat Dark Earth
532491 MagPul Maglevel Pmag Magazine AR-15 223 Remington 30-Round Polymer Flat Dark Earth
869774 MagPul MOE Pistol Grip AR-15 Flat Dark Earth
164927 MagPul MBUS Flip-Up Front Sight AR-15 Polymer Flat Dark Earth
792223 MagPul MBUS Flip-Up Rear Sight AR-15 Polymer Flat Dark Earth
918376 MagPul MOE Enhanced Trigger Guard AR-15 Polymer Flat Dark Earth
936520 MagPul Pmag Ranger Plate Magazine Floorplate AR-15 Polymer Black Package of 3
386289 MagPul CTR, UBR, ACS, MOE Enhanced Recoil Pad Rubber Black
512604 MagPul AFG Angled Forend Grip AR-15 Polymer Flat Dark Earth
116423 TangoDown Vertical Forend Grip AR-15 Polymer Black
295527 Vltor VC-1 Flash Hider 1/2"-28 Thread AR-15 Matte
437961 M16 Clinic Buffer Pad II AR-15
187501 DPMS Lock Washer AR-15
589236 DPMS Upper Receiver Stripped AR-15 A3 Flattop Matte
888007 DPMS Ejection Port Cover Assembly AR-15 Matte
335086 DPMS Barrel Nut AR-15 Matte
162377 Daniel Defense Barrel AR-15 5.56x45mm NATO M4 Contour 1 in 7" Twist 16" Hammer Forged Chrome Lined Chrome Moly Matte Pre-Ban
890124 DoubleStar Receiver Extension Buffer Tube 6-Position Mil-Spec Diameter AR-15 Carbine Aluminum Matte
350058 CMMG Gas Piston Retrofit Conversion Kit with Gas Block and 1-Piece Bolt Carrier AR-15 Carbine Length
588861 GG&G Receiver End Plate Loop Sling Mount Adapter Right Hand AR-15 Carbine Aluminum Matte
123930 PRI Barrel Nut Wrench AR-15
282711 PRI Gas Buster Charging Handle Assembly with Flat Latch AR-15 Aluminum Matte
189887 MidwayUSA Pro Series Tactical Rifle Gun Case 35" Polyester Black
116984 BlackHawk Single Point Storm Sling Nylon Bungee Black
639681 Timney Trigger AR-15 Small Pin .154" 3 lb Skeleton
593549 Model 1 Armorer's Action Block AR-15
683430 Aimpoint Replacement Red Dot Sight Cover CompM2, ML2, M3, ML3 Rubber Dark Earth Brown
691616 Aimpoint CompM3 Red Dot Sight 30mm Tube 1x 2 MOA Dot Matte

Brownells.com:
Brownells # Brownells Description
100-004-464 Midwest Industries Gas Piston Free-Float Forend
741-000-004 MGI Carbine Rate Reducing Buffer
231-000-063 DPMS Forward Assist Assembly
100-004-899 Phase 5 Tactical EBRv2 Extended Bolt Release
851-111-000 Smith Enterprise AR-15 Complete Bolt
100-003-639 Bushmaster Lower Receiver Parts Kit
234-902-101 Dewey Bolt Cam Pin
573-000-030 Falcon Industries Coyote Brown Rail Guard

AuctionArms.com:
DPMS Stripped A3 Lower Receiver

AmericanDefenseManufacturing.com:
American Defense # American Defense Description
AD-68C Cantilever Aimpoint Mount

I've wanted to do a full AR build for years. I also considered building a 6.8 SPC, but I figured I would spend more than I wanted just doing a 5.56 build.

 

If you'd like to look beyond the ordinary (or should I say common?), you should check into the various civilian versions of H&K rifles (like the G36 or G3), FN rifles (like the FAL or SCAR), or even the civilian Styer AUG. Each is a proven design and used by various militaries around the world. Personally, I'd trade my Colt for an HK or FN any day. I don't know the civilian model names/numbers though. Those are the military model names.

 

Russian Dragunov....'nough said....

 

apkano: you are the KING of the Crossfire Gun Community!

 

if he would build XF's like he builds weapons, he'd be in the 11's for sure....as it is, federal prison comes to mind...lol

 

Here is some fun......watch towards the end for it to get real interesting

 

Very nice, except it's an AR-15.

Hate those things. Personally, I like to reach out. I'm in the process of converting my blaser lrs2 to 300 win mag.

Oh, and don't forget pictures!!!

 

If you want the looks and feel of an AR-15 without the cost then this is a great gun to get. Earlier Smiths had a problem with their ejectors but this has been corrected. About the only complaint owners have now on the 15-22 is that the gun feels plasticky. Not surprising since it mostly is plastic. Arguebly the best 22 is the Sig 522 but this one cost the most too.

I shot the M-16 once upon a time and I thought the recoil was more like that of a 22 then a centerfire rifle. The buffer tube spring does a wonderful job soaking up recoil so it's not really a concern.

AR-15, AK-47...Chevy, Ford....taste great, less filling. You can shoot both types and see which one works best for you. A rifle like the Robinson XCR combines the best features of both which is why I'm interested in it. That and because I have to be different from the AR-15/AK-47 crowd. Afterall, I do drive a Crossfire......

 

The FAL and G3 are single burst correct? I do like the look of the G36C....forgot about this one!!! The Styer Augbar is cool looking with the tripod. Gonna go research the G36 some more...thanks Tom!!

You guys are the BEST!! Thanks for all the INPUT!!

 

Russian Sniper rifle... bolt action right?

 

APKANO......you are building from ground up!! KING!

 

The Heckler Koch G36C

Heckler-Koch HK G36 assault rifle (Germany)


HK G36 assault rifle (standard German army version with dual sight system) with 40mm AG36 underbarrel grenade launcher
Image: Heckler-Koch


HK G36E rifle (Export version) with single 1.5X telescope sight and spare magazine clamped to the left side of the inserted one.
Image: Heckler-Koch

HK G36 assault rifle with optional accessory kit which includes forearm with four Picatinny rails and a low-profile scope rail on the receiver
Image: Heckler-Koch

HK G36K "short" (Kurz) assault rifle, with buttstock folded; standard version with iron sights and Picatinny rail
Image: Heckler-Koch

HK G36KE short assault rifle, export version, with 'E' type telescope sight / carrying handle setup
Image: Heckler-Koch

HK G36C 'Compact' or 'Commando' assault rifle, with optional Picatinny rails on forend
Image: Heckler-Koch

 

The dragunov is cool, but it's for collectors. It's not super accurate (1-2moa), but a real russian one will cost upwards of $3000 when you can find one, so a very limited market there.. And it is semi auto.

Somehow I missed the first page so I didn't realize what this thread was about, but now I know, so my .02.

I have a buddy with a rock river varmint ar-15. It is very accurate, with a big thick barrel. Weight is a little funky with too much towards the muzzle, but other than that not bad. I think they guarantee that it will be capable of .25" groups at 100 yards straight out of the box.

Recoil, an ar-15 does not have it. It does, but it is super light, and you can shoot all day without a problem. I learned to shoot competitions with an ar-15 and you actually use the recoil to bounce you back into position for the next shot.

I am not a fan of the .223 round though. My target rifle is (was) in .223, and it just doesn't do well. I shoot a competition every month out to 500 yards. I can do very well in calm conditions, but as soon as the wind picks up that little bullet gets blown all over the place. It also has no power behind it. Shooting the steel plate at 500 yards barely wiggles it, where even the 308 was knocking it around. With only about 500fpe at that range, it''s barely even hitting it.

Personally, however, I really don't like the ar-15 platform. Don't care for semi-auto, and I just don't think they are accurate enough. This is my personal baby that I shoot competitions with.

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And a nice 3 shot group from it at 500 yards.

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Oh, and if were are just going for cool looking guns, don't forget the fn series.

F2000



And the ps90

 

I love the FN P90 series of guns, but the problem with them is the odd ammunition. It's hard to get, and the real ammunition that was designed for the gun is only available to law enforcement. What a bummer, since that thing would be an awesome personal defense weapon. Of course, another downside of it is the single shot civilian model. For that weapon to really perform in combat, it's all about putting a lot of lead down range, quickly and on target. The civvy model doesn't do that.

Anyway, as cool as the FN or HK rifles are, the civilian models can be disappointing. Of course, they'll all be single shot and not burst fire or full auto. But that's the case with all civilian rifles.

I concur with Mr Lama about the .223 cartridge not being suitable for long range target competition. You need a heavier round for that. But it doesn't sound like you're planning on driving tacks at 500 yards. So I'm betting .223 will be fine for you. .308 or 7.62x54 pack a lot more power, but you also pay for that with increased recoil and more expensive ammo. 7.62x39 (which is what the AK and SKS rifles use) is a pleasant compromise between the two.

If, by chance you're only looking for a personal defense weapon - not a target gun - then you might want to consider some of the newer weapons that are basically civilian versions of submachine guns. They shoot pistol calibers (such as 9mm or .45) and are only single shot (not full auto or burst). Compared to pistols offer a larger frames, longer barrels (for greater accuracy), shoulder stocks, and increased magazine capacity. HK has the USC, Beretta has the CX4.

I've been tempted by the Beretta CX4, but every time I seriously consider it, I remember that I could just by a new upper for my Colt AR variant, and have a stubby rifle for less than the cost of the CX4.

 

For home protection I currently have an AR-15 and M1 Carbine. I do love the Bushmaster, it is great shooting gun!



Get one while you can!

 

Actually not entirely true.

If you are willing to pony up the cash and get an automatic rifle sold in the US before September 1994 (i think that's the date), They have been grandfathered in. Basically you're paying a little for the rifle itself and a LOT for the documentation that it is a grandfathered weapon.

 

Nice to know, apkano. Unfortunately that also precludes any of the new weapons like the P90. Oh well. I don't have any money to spend on guns anyway! LOL

 

Doesn't preclude registering.....1935 Firearms act....damn tommy guns...lol