Iam going to have the guts to get on the record before Wednesdays TOP KILL of the oil well to suggest that BP is out of their element or is it their depth. I see that they have been lieing about the size of the spill since the start and still try to bs people.

I believe they have little chance of success and after getting some books and reviewing the task feel that they arn't likely to stop the oil. Possibly allowing it to get worse.

I d suggess a large concussion in the form of a big ( 10 kiloton) type of explosive charge to form a shaped charge effect and crush the well head and rock strata. This is my belief that the need to have a serious response on hand in case they dont stuff a sock in it soon. At 2 - 3 million gallons per day we can not wait till August and HURRICAIN SEASON to stem the flow. Its too big a deal to not have several belts and suspenders in our pocket just in case.

My thoughts out front, anyone else have a serious suggestion to close the well before there is wide spread damage, like the east cost and Europe due to the loop current???

BTW most of the oil is not on the top of the water, lets see what that means to all of us.

Soylent Green Woody

 

The environmental impact is already catastrophic. How come no one is panicking?

 

Waldig I was thinking the same thing, some kind of explosion to seal it. I just don't see any other way to do it.

 

a mile underwater, you could definitely go nuclear. I'm sure there's a few nukes lying around

 

For as long as Iam not in custody, Ill keep writing my ideas. Sent a letter to the White House and it will hopefully be read. I suspect it will get some notice as I was calling for shaped charge explosive of several kilotons to kill the well.

It is obvious that pumping 65 barrels of mud per minute is not going to do anything as it flowing out much faster than that. Purging the mud if you. Soon it will become obvious that we have not moved fast enough and that we can not suffer another 2 months.

Gulf oil - gulf of mexico is being killed in total, wait till the loop brings the submerged and therefore HIDDEN oil to Florida and the east coast. The crowd will begin noisy SOON. WOODY

 

I agree. said that last night in a conversation. A small nuclear device should glass over the bottom and seal it, seemed to do that same thing on the Bimini Atoll and I'm sure there are a few explosive experts that may be able to determine the size and the shaape, but to be honest I think that is one of the only ways to stop it too.

 

Is the well leaking or is it the pipeline? I was under the impression it ws the pipeline.

 

I have tried to be patient but this is getting old.

The top kill has finally been declared as DEAD and now they are going to add the top hat again, which will do little. I previously announced on here, that i t could not work due to the pressure gradient issues of the broken riser pipe.
There is little more in their inventory that has a chance and thus the effort to go with the better choices first.

The capping effort is one of the better chances of stopping the flow, IF THEY CAN ATTACH IT.

Adding the blow out preventer is another half way idea to stop the flow and it might work if the thing can be BOLTED on to the old one.

They are wasting time, and there will be millions of barrels lost before they stumble on a solution. In about 6 weeks there will a great chance of a hurricain in the gulf area. Thats when it will hit the fan so to speak.

Waiting till the relief well in August is too long. I honestly dont know how it will be of benefit and do not believe in it either. What is it to do that the mud shot didnt attempt, danged if I know.

Iam frustrated and had to get it off my keyboard, we need to blow to get this well to go (away).

AARGUEEE

Dang I wish they would get the military involved with the explosive expertise they have. The well will need to be crushed to stop it sooner than the "efforts" they are currently EXPERIMENTING with.

 

Attaching a new valve (while in the open position) and then closing said valve, is a method
that works fairly well when conditions are ideal.
However with the extreme depth, and pressure coming out of the well, Difficult is an understatement.
Explosives many times render unseen results, (collateral damage if you will).
Oh the trouble we get into when working outside our element.

 

TO try to get some real focus and attention, I have written to the CNN people to have them take a look see. Passed this along FYI, and so others can think out of the box. WOODY

FOR CNN to review

TITLE: Be sure to question the “ CHURCH”

The Dylen Ratigan show today (MSNBC) had Matt Simmons on discussing the oil spill. IT was informative and brought up many facts that are going missing.

To crack the story, I would like to humbly suggest that you assign staff to examine and report on the BP missteps and outright lies. Iam not writing any other news companies, you’re my first and best choice.


1. Have someone review the actual oil collected, NOT the water oil and gas mixture. Recovering gas is meaningless and not to be considered as “recovered oil”. Go to the BP’s tankers and see what is really going into the tanker, watch the water line and avoid counting water on the bottom of the tank.

2. Have a hydraulic expert describe the amount of pressure needed to push OIL that is cold through a 5000-foot long pipe that is 6” in diameter up to the surface. That pipe is a 28 square inch cross-section pipe and to load 400,000 gallons per day would require enormous pressure to drive the oil up the pipe (that fast). It is impossible that the cap is allowing the enough pressure to be contained to in the line to do this FEAT.

3. The MOST that a PERFECT pump could suck is 0.0 PSIG or the pressure of outer space. There is no vacuum and you cannot suck stuff without limit. There are physical limits to reducing the pressure to zero and the surface ship cannot do much, it is up to the reservoir to PUSH up the oil to the surface. #2. The lack of a complete seal means that there is little pressure to drive the oil up. At the bottom each 1 cubic inch of gas bubble, expands to 160 cubic inches and more in the suction pump, seriously clogging the line with gas bubbles causing a form of vapor lock.

4. Deep oil is lifted to the surface by the use of a LIFT pump that is the familiar rocking beam oil well pump, used in mature wells that have lost their pressure. In the Middle East, they increase the down hole pressure by BACKFEEDING seawater into the reservoir to maintain reasonable pressure to facilitate the recovery of the oil from the field. There is little real pressure available in our gulf well disaster, due to the great leakage plumbs seen on your daily programs.

5. Everyone has underestimated the oil released, as Mr. Simmons stated. BP said 1000 barrels, 5000 barrels were leaking, and now they are capturing 11000 barrels per day. Question the church, and of course verify the answers. Please have an OIL expert review the photos of the wellhead to confirm this. Again, the escaping plumb is MUCH bigger now, after the restriction of the bent and mangled riser pipe has been severed. We are suffering a much greater loss now than before the top kill effort (s).

6. BP is hiding and shielding the facts. The leak is bigger and “plan” A, B, C, D, E, and F have not worked. We need to get the public opinion moving for Plan G, after the others have failed and AUGUST and its deadline have passed without success. Plan G would stand for G for Government, when the U.S. Military is called in to BLOW the well shut with a shaped charged of several KILOTONS { maybe 10KT or so }of explosive. It would require time to collect, organize, position, and TAMP with sand or other suitable material. The shaped charge, like an IED would be used to crush and close the well and it’s piping. Placing that much explosive in an engineered manner would require time and resources; it needs to be considered now to allow an alternative when the mud down hole fails due to “ unforeseen difficulties” like flow that is greater than expected.

7. I offer this to you as a tip to verify and follow; to be ahead of the pack. Iam an engineer with little to no knowledge of the oil world. Physics have laws that you cannot trifle with and must obey. I would like to have a solution in my back pocket so as to be prepared, at all times.

Please read and pass along as needed to have this information reviewed and acted upon by your company.

Your truly;

George Woodworth
awoodeye@ Comcast.net

 

Just got this today, FYI. Woody

http://www.mediaite.com/online/in-light-of-bps-failures-russian-nuclear-option-for-stopping-leak-gaining-traction/

 

I think they are trying to save the well, rather than closing it over which makes no sense at this point...you can always drill another well...surely we have enough explosive experience to close this hole up...where are the geologist on this one? Or, are they afraid of igniting something bigger? Was this a gas explosion to begin with? What if there is a large concentration of natural gas in this hole? I think I will still leave it to the experts on the scene...and the military that is monitoring it...besides, look at all the people who are working in that area now...jobs, jobs, jobs...just not what they wanted though...fishermen are manning oil booms, the hospitality people are cleaning the beachs....just isn't good for anyone...but, think about the amount of oil that is coming out of this one little well...and tell yourself there is an oil shortage...we are being ripped off...we should be paying 49.9 again....liars....

 

From what I remember, the reports early on were it was due to a methane pocket/bubble explosion

 

Woody has it pegged. Although I would disagree onthe temperature of the oil, it would be about 600 Dgrees F, the flow rates do not make sense. Something smells and it ain't the crude.

One would think GDC SRT's idea of a top hat valve secured to the well head flange would be feasable. Perhaps even should have been in the original designs, but then I'm just a Missouri mule packaging machinery engineer.

We heard today that the President is asking the locals questions so he knows who's @ss to kick.
Excuse me but even us knuckle draggin flatlanders know. It's BP. Even MSNBC got it right.

Instead of figuring out who to sue, ought we be better to put everyresource we have on assessment, stablization and exposure control.

This is no different than a monster fire. We handled a major conflaggeration by assessment, stabilzationad, exposure control. Then, we worried about who's fault it was, but well after we got control and salvage underway.

But then nipping this in the bud would keep it from becoming a crisis. I have held judgement for 45 days but Woody is right. Patience is thin, the acceptable time has passed.

I'm not suggesting a conspiracy here. Just one of two other possiblities that would explain the complete lack of affimative action on the part of BP or our Government.
A convenient opportunity to pomote the tree huggers agenda
OR
Complete Incompetency.

Both reflect negatively on the current administration's ability to do their job.

BP's blame is independent of that analysis. Because if BP has not the will or the expertise to shut this down by any means after 45 days then we need to have our leadership decide to do the moon shot thingy, and get it done.

One would think a properly engineered charge, conventional or nuclear, would be a reasonable, if not already manufactured, answer.


roadster with a stick

 

There has to be a lot of people sweating over the repercussions of this disaster, such as BP executives with direct ties to the operation and regulatory agency employees with similar ties.
naturally the big honchos who may get axed will have golden parachutes and government employees will have similar packages and their retirement plans will be unaffected no matter how much worldwide damage is done.
I say stuff their dumb asses down the well, it will not plug it but we'll all feel better.

 

Found this interesting yet spooky article, It picks up on Erzers post about methane.

How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions - by Terrence Aym - Helium

 

Its been over a month and CNN and an article on Bill Clinton both started the conversation about blowing the well.

This needs to be done before the Gulf totally is ruined. The delays are going to be without purpose and looked back upon as a tragic waste of time and wildlife.

I said it first and they are going to have to consider this the moment the bottom kill fails to get it done. The planning for this should begin last month and be ready when the well continues to spill. Its all about the money.

Me, Iam for the loss of a well in order to save the people and animals of the Gulf. Just wait till the spill really gets on the shore and Florida starts screaming. It does not have to be this way.


Woody