Commercially available stuff like this makes it possible legal gun owners have some fun unloading a large amount of monies in a short period of time (have you priced ammo lately). Anyway, my thoughts on all this guv intrusions are a knee jerk reaction of most who having no idea what to do, they just jump on a bandwagon to placate those who are just as confused or easily led to support a cause without regard to the intentions of those who push those causes. I have found through many years observing special interest groups and the manipulation of fear in our society, that the only benefit (tangible) is fee's that generate revenue for federal/state/county/municipal/local governments. From the alpha to the omega, much of the legislated results resulted in a cost incurred by legal gun owners. The illegal ones continue to laugh at those who pay, and when another opportunity comes along for a scumbag to rip off another gun owner, that scum will do it. Registration of firearms has a very ominous side to it. Consider this fact, we live in a litigious society. If a gun registered to X is stolen and used in the commission of a murder or any other crime and it is traced back to someone that had legal possession of it (regardless if reported or not) that person (X) could very well possibly be charged criminally, civilly, or both. Just think, you continue to smother legal gun ownership with these rules and regulations, the legal owners continue to jump through those hoops, and if it/they are ever stolen your now open to prosecution or civil liability. That my friends is happening already (you'll not hear too many of those stories though because it just isn't that newsworthy, who has sympathy for gun owners who are prosecuted or sued for a gun that had been stolen?). If by chance the gun was used, as a minimum the last legal owner would be shamed by society (with those having a brain with some logic understanding the guilt trip is bogus). So, leave me alone, leave gun owners alone, get the scumbags off the street like they do in the muslim countries (if your a thief first offense right hand comes off, second offense the remaining hand comes off, as long as the osama free healthcare doesn't replace them with state-of-the-art mechanical/bionic prosthesis).

 

I don't think it is anyone's business what i own or shoot and registration should be illegal. The full auto ban should be repealed. The gangsters of Chicago are long gone. Everytime you give up a freedom you will never get it back. The law if you read it states you can't alter the receiver to full auto fire. This device doesn't do that. It is legal to own. I don't need to have 400 hp car and drive 160 but it happens. Like the pot calling the kettle black. Lets break this law but not that one. I have added 3 more guns to my collection in the last week putting my car on hold. I have bought high capacity mags from those oppressed in east. LOL. I guess to help with their legal fees. Not going get into a political thread as I am posting on several on other sites. Just another move by an oppressive govt. bottom line this isn't the only device that will produce rapid fire without altering the receiver. Btw. I can make that alteration to several different semi autos in less than a half hour if shtf. So this isn't a big deal. Back to cars gentlemen before our king limits your HP to less than 100.

 

Exactly! First they take away your guns, then your HP! This way the madmen who have them can take whatever they want and race away and you CANNOT follow them while on 911, or so the cops can hide from them because they don't have the firepower the crooks have nor the HP to keep up with then. Its getting to the point where LE has to have highly equipped SWAT/rapid response forces in every county! But wait, these new laws will allow LE to cut back because of limited funding right? So who is going to stop those bad guys? I know, the NEW FEDERALISTS AGENTS! They will be funded to ****** good guys guns/ammo/clips. They will have TOW's and LAW's to blast away those bad guys that no one can catch with their 80 mile radius electric cars and 3 round clips in local LE jurisdictions. So osama wants high power vehicles, secret service for his family (who have automatic weapons with HUGE clips), federalist police to ****** John Q's guns and clips, a DMV who will not license vehicles with over 100HP, and we all can just live under the iron fist of oppression!

 

Sobering numbers to those that think clearly.

 

Turning political so I won't respond. 180 we are ranked 28th in world for gun deaths. Exactly why I own guns. But I wouldn't trade my freedom for any other country including yours. Back to cars. If you want a debate come over to gunbroker.com.

 

I think an 80 year old man with 350 HP propelling him down public roadways is far more dangerous than my friends and I rattling off a bunch of rounds in a sandpit.

 

I have been trained to use the M16. I have owned both the FA M16 and the AR15. Nice guns but the cartridge sucks. I use the Zastava M76. .The magazine holds 10 rounds of 198 gr. 8 mauser. telescopic sights calibrated to 900 meters. Rifle is current issue in Serbia.

 

The funniest thing is as I was brushing up on this thread there was an add at the top for bump firing stocks! Too good.

 

IMO this statement is clearly not complete! It should read 'Sobering numbers to those that think clearly should know that blaming a gun for violence inflicted by anyone is like blaming a beer bottle (or the like) for DUI's'. Also, insulting anyones position by implying they are not thinking clearly is exactly why people get pissed at those who aren't thinking clearly

 

Wheres the one for automobile wrecks and other calamities?

 

Gun deaths are expected to over take road fatalities in the US in the not too distant future as car deaths are dropping.

 

And you know this because.........

 

It took 350 Armed and trained LAPD to take down 2 men armed with fully automatic weapons with high capacity clips....???

How many Officers do we need to protect our Schools? Our movie theaters... our shopping malls? Are we willing to accept TSA type security measures?



This Texas Officer was Lucky

 

Since we're comparing "intentional" deaths, where's the one for abortions? Isn't that a similar thing? One living human deciding another living human's life is an inconvenience, and extinguishing it?

*crickets*



Sucks we can't even have a gun thread to discuss new innovative hardware for our firearms without it becoming a ****ing gun control topic because a certain Canadian simply can't resist. Can you really not resist?

Dave, we get it -- you think gun laws are the solution. But rather than sniff out every thread pertaining to guns, you might want to take a look at how often mass shootings happen in areas where guns are prohibited.

The only folks that will follow *new* gun laws are the ones that were following the existing ones. That's me, tuna, and everyone else in this thread.

Wack-jobs and criminals give not a single damn. You could implement a law making all guns illegal, and guess what? Criminals would still obtain them, hoard them, and use them on defenseless congregations of folks.

Evil can't be legislated out.

I was tempted to simply report your posts to the mods for political content, but that's not how I operate.

For the sake everyone's sanity, let's AVOID the political banter regarding firearms. Yes, I know that sounds impossible but we must remember our "most important rule for thread survival -- you can talk about anything on this forum as long as it doesn't intertwine with politics.

If you own firearms and have beef with the workings of this device from a mechanical critique standpoint, have at it. If you have recommendations of another type of firearm that is fun/legal, please share.

But if you're simply chiming in with another political axe to grind (especially if you don't even vote on this side of the border), please do us all a favor and divert your attention from this thread.

That's absolutely as respectful as I can be, considering how frustrated I am.

 

And you think banning parts of guns or guns themselves would have prevented some nutbag from killing a bunch of people? I understand your concern just think your directing your angst wrong. Try looking at the problem of society blaming tragedies on a mechanical marvel that forged out great (and currently floundering) nation. OK, I get it... I see your side of the equation. Someday you might realize that taking a right away from another did nothing to protect anyone from the horrors of deranged maladjusted people hellbent on making their 3/5/30/60/600/6000 minutes of negative fame. I ask you to please direct your actions against the media who perpetuate the never ending broadcast of the a$$holes picture/story in a constant barrage of media madness. This is one of the driving forces in these sick crazed nutbags in doing what they do. Stop recognizing them. Stop plastering their picture/name in every forum. When you deny the attention these sick demented a$$holes crave, slowly their influence will diminish. This is my belief, I think I am not alone. Parents are the major influences on their siblings. Lets get to the root of this by holding the nutbag accountable for his/her actions. If there is no parental guidance (responsible to insure respect for all, and/or accountability) then truly nothing can stop twisted people from causing mass havoc in the name of 'whatever'. One more point if I may, Parents are not their siblings keeper. That said, if parents care not how their kids are directed in their formative years, then my opinion is they should have never set out in the conclusion of the mating process. If that strikes anyones nerve so be it. If the nerve stricken is a pang of guilt, then either correct it or not. Just remember those who are the parents of these crazies never thought their kid would do such a thing. Such is love, parental love... I have read and saw interviews of so many guilt-ridden parent(s) who try to pass off their consciences elsewhere. I am not my son's keeper, if he goes off on someone I am resolute in knowing something other than my parenting caused it.


Final point! There was not 26 people murdered in this highly publicized blitz. There was 27! The mother was the first victim, the rest were at the second mass murder crime scene. You all may have a clue why I don't recognize the perp!

 

I am in favor of abortion as well, I do not like it as a matter of principal but I can see that in many circumstances it is preferable to no abortion.

I am not in favor of abortion as an alternative to birth control.

A woman should have rights as to what happens inside her body.

 

There's the danger in your "silhouette" argument though. The picture depicts 900+ deaths as if they are all under similar circumstances. The only deaths with details were youths. While tragic, the accidents can't be compared on the same scale as malicious intent from a deranged criminal on anti-depressants. And what about all of the other deaths? Your linked picture gave no breakdown on how many of those adults died at the end of a handgun in Chicago because of a busted drug deal. So just as you have conditional acceptance for abortion, I have conditional acceptance for guns.

To wit, I'll use your verbage below:

I am in favor of Americans having access to any guns they deem necessary. I do not like the concept of murder by a full-auto (FA) rifle as a matter of principle, but I can see in certain circumstances it is preferable to watching your family die at the hands of multiple armed intruders. Taking the time to swap out your recently mandated 7-round clips just gives the intruders precious seconds to rush you.

I am not in favor of criminals stealing said weapons from registered gun owners and committing atrocities against innocent Americans with them.

An American should have rights and freedoms to possess whatever weapon they desire to protect their home, per the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution:

"The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Per Merriam-Webster:

Infringement: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

Fair enough?

 

Actually from the newspaper just this morning the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that road deaths rose 7.1 % in the first 9 months of 2012 as compared to the same period in 2011. The largest year over year jump since 1975.

 

The first video the Police only had pistols and maybe shotguns to deal with this. The documentary I saw on this one time said the police only uparmored whe they went to gunstores during this event, if I remember this right. The bad guys were wearing body armor and were hit multiple times with no effect.

 

At the risk of getting this thread dumped because I have entered it;;;
Larry, you are correct. The police had to go to gun stores where, thanks to the 2nd, equal firepower was available to them. It just had not been issued to them in a PC state.

Second; Abortion is a political topic and JHM2K, while I feel your pain, it too should not be discussed on this the Cars only Forum

Third, given the gun of record in the OP it is inevitable that the discussion would come to our rights to own it.

Conclusion, there is little of our lives that is not touched by politics. Since the mods want a sanitization from that topic here, don't tread on it, even a little. Good stuff in this thread and others will be wiped, deleted, lost. Simply because of political taint.

OK mods, once again I have admonished the trespassers. Do your thing.

My opologies guys.

Meanwhile, How does the bump fire not encroach on the ban of machine guns? And of what use will it be if they limit mag capacities?

Please limit responses to the technology, not the foolish (politicians) and their motivationss.

thanks