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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 07:42 PM
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Hi all,

I am trying to find out if there is any difference on specifications or anything, parts etc when comparing the first crossfire made in late 2003 coming from Germany vs. any other year made in the us?

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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 07:45 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Originally Posted by LCandon
Hi all,

I am trying to find out if there is any difference on specifications or anything, parts etc when comparing the first crossfire made in late 2003 coming from Germany vs. any other year made in the us?

Thanks!
They all were made in Germany, your post makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 08:20 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Ok. I was discussing with someone and they were telling me they were made in the US from 2004 on and only the first ones were made in germany that specifically had 2003 listed on the door panel.

Thanks for clarifying!
 
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Old Jan 6, 2024 | 08:27 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Also, discount any rumor that some Chrysler parts are in the car. The only part Chrysler added was the bill of sale and it was likely printed in China.
 

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Old Jan 7, 2024 | 04:56 AM
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All were made by Karman in Germany
 
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Old Jan 7, 2024 | 07:19 AM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Originally Posted by UnderTheSouthernCross
All were made by Karman in Germany


Exactly, every one has a plate on the drivers door denoting country of manufacture. Rest assured, a crew in Germany built it (and sometimes went back to building it after dropping a few at the local break time truck/house or at lunch break). LOL


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Old Nov 4, 2025 | 02:00 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Originally Posted by LCandon
Hi all,

I am trying to find out if there is any difference on specifications or anything, parts etc when comparing the first crossfire made in late 2003 coming from Germany vs. any other year made in the us?

Thanks!
So I had read the same a while ago, more about the year it was released than country.. I own a 2003 crossfire, according to the "Internet" and all part suppliers, my car doesn't exist because they were manufactured in 2003 and released for sale 2004...mine clearly did a runner Nov 2003
So I'm in desperate need of a center bearing and support, parts place sent garage wrong part so I've been tasked to find one, everything online says 2004 to 2008 but I'm assuming from everything I read on here that it will be the same part 01234581M if anyone could confirm you'd be doing me a favour, I just can't afford the time or money getting more wrong parts.. MOT looming lol
 
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Old Nov 4, 2025 | 02:59 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

All crossfires are the same. I believe the first ones were considered 2003 in Europe and because of the amount of time it took to transport them to the US were considered 2004, even though they were built in late 2003.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2025 | 03:03 PM
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All crossfires are the same. I believe the first ones were considered 2003 in Europe and because of the amount of time it took to transport them to the US were considered 2004, even though they were built in late 2003.
Thank you, I thought as much about being the same but always best to check.. Its just had new brakes, new ball joints, handbrake done, I overhauled the air intake system last year.. I recon I could register it as a 2025 plate soon, be nothing left from 2003 😂😂😂
 
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Old Nov 4, 2025 | 10:12 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Originally Posted by CrossBlonde82

So I'm in desperate need of a center bearing and support, parts place sent garage wrong part so I've been tasked to find one, everything online says 2004 to 2008 but I'm assuming from everything I read on here that it will be the same part 01234581M if anyone could confirm you'd be doing me a favour, I just can't afford the time or money getting more wrong parts.. MOT looming lol
I just replaced my center support bering and as you I was confused about the two different bearings being sold. I ordered both and returned the one that wasn't just like the bad one. "Appears to me" that either will work for automatics or manual shifts. I found one that advertised for standard tranny, $23, and used it and returned the one that advertised to fit all Crossfires. However the A/T was more robustly built. "Only" took me four days to get it changed and put back in car. LoL. My U-joint splines were rusted solid into the front part of the driveshaft and eventually had to pay to have it separated. Don't forget to grease the splines and check both the flex discs for excessive wear.
 

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Old Nov 5, 2025 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Romad
I just replaced my center support bering and as you I was confused about the two different bearings being sold. I ordered both and returned the one that wasn't just like the bad one. "Appears to me" that either will work for automatics or manual shifts. I found one that advertised for standard tranny, $23, and used it and returned the one that advertised to fit all Crossfires. However the A/T was more robustly built. "Only" took me four days to get it changed and put back in car. LoL. My U-joint splines were rusted solid into the front part of the driveshaft and eventually had to pay to have it separated. Don't forget to grease the splines and check both the flex discs for excessive wear.
Thanks, the garage is doing my repair, he's already done the rest of the work, checked everything else but was sent the wrong part 🫣 when I search only one comes up that will fit the automatic and says all crossfire 04 to 08, doesn't seem to be any other option so I hope it's the right one 🤞🙄

 
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Old Nov 5, 2025 | 08:29 AM
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For the correct, quality parts, your best source is needswings.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2025 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CrossBlonde82
Thanks, the garage is doing my repair, he's already done the rest of the work, checked everything else but was sent the wrong part 🫣 when I search only one comes up that will fit the automatic and says all crossfire 04 to 08, doesn't seem to be any other option so I hope it's the right one 🤞🙄
Lack of grease on free floating yoke splines, on U-joint, probably cause center support bearing to go bad. But then everything is not a forever part! LoL


 
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Old Nov 5, 2025 | 09:32 PM
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Default Re: 2003 made in Germany vs. 2004 made in the us?

Originally Posted by CrossBlonde82
Thanks, the garage is doing my repair, he's already done the rest of the work, checked everything else but was sent the wrong part 🫣 when I search only one comes up that will fit the automatic and says all crossfire 04 to 08, doesn't seem to be any other option so I hope it's the right one 🤞🙄
Here is the correct part. I used this when I replaced mine. I have a manual transmission in my Crossfire: https://needswings.com/driveshaft-support-and-bearing
I hope your mechanic is also replacing both of the rubber flex discs as well.
Here's a post I did when I replaced my driveshaft bearing and flex discs:Driveshaft support bearing & flex discs replacement
 

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Old Nov 6, 2025 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by M60A3Driver
Here is the correct part. I used this when I replaced mine. I have a manual transmission in my Crossfire: https://needswings.com/driveshaft-support-and-bearing
I hope your mechanic is also replacing both of the rubber flex discs as well.
Here's a post I did when I replaced my driveshaft bearing and flex discs:Driveshaft support bearing & flex discs replacement
Fantastic, thanks for that, looks exactly what I've ordered but mines automatic, it does say mines for auto though so 🤞 I'm gonna get the flex discs too, thank you..
 
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Old Nov 7, 2025 | 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CrossBlonde82
Fantastic, thanks for that, looks exactly what I've ordered but mines automatic, it does say mines for auto though so 🤞 I'm gonna get the flex discs too, thank you..
You're welcome!
Once it's done drive the hell out of it and have fun!
 
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