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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:03 PM
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So last week I was turning down the street and when I shifted into second gear the car suddenly lost all power,I thought maybe I accidentally hit fourth so i tried going back into second but still nothing. The rpms kept dropping until it just stopped completely. It hasn't started since then. I've tried replacing the cps and resoldering the rcm but still nothing. I don't think that's the issue. Nothing has changed, it still won't start. The fuel pump always turns on when i turn the key and there's pressure in the fuel rail. Any other ideas? I don't think I'm getting spark so I'm not sure what would cause that
 
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles.vanover
So last week I was turning down the street and when I shifted into second gear the car suddenly lost all power,I thought maybe I accidentally hit fourth so i tried going back into second but still nothing. The rpms kept dropping until it just stopped completely. It hasn't started since then. I've tried replacing the cps and resoldering the rcm but still nothing. I don't think that's the issue. Nothing has changed, it still won't start. The fuel pump always turns on when i turn the key and there's pressure in the fuel rail. Any other ideas? I don't think I'm getting spark so I'm not sure what would cause that
Did it die when you hit the clutch pedal?
Have you had the codes read?
 
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:41 PM
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Did it die when you hit the clutch pedal?
Have you had the codes read?
Well I think it may have already been dead when I was switching gears but the transmission kept it turning until i put it in neutral and let it roll out of traffic. I've checked for codes and it didn't come up with anything. Also the car is only at 72,000 miles
 
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:54 PM
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Well I think it may have already been dead when I was switching gears but the transmission kept it turning until i put it in neutral and let it roll out of traffic. I've checked for codes and it didn't come up with anything. Also the car is only at 72,000 miles
I was just wondering if somehow the interlock was damaged and not allowing the car to start.
 
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 07:59 PM
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I was just wondering if somehow the interlock was damaged and not allowing the car to start.
If that happened would the car still crank? It still tries to start every time but never fires
 
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Old Aug 1, 2014 | 11:56 PM
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If that happened would the car still crank? It still tries to start every time but never fires
You used the word nothing, so I thought it did not crank. My mistake. I have to think some more here.
If it cranks, can you see (or feel ) a spark with the plug cover pulled?
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 12:13 AM
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You used the word nothing, so I thought it did not crank. My mistake. I have to think some more here.
If it cranks, can you see (or feel ) a spark with the plug cover pulled?
Oh sorry my bad. It cranks every time but just won't start. I've pulled the covers off and there isn't any spark. Just to make sure I pulled a new plug I had sitting around and put it in the cover just to see if I could get it to do anything and there wasn't a spark. Could this be a possible ecm issue or maybe some faulty wiring somewhere?
 

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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 01:52 AM
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Check the ground on your battery, make sure it's super tight. I've had the similar situation happen on one of my cars, it had enough ground to turn the motor over, but not enough to give the electronic ignition enough ground. Did the same thing, running great and just died. I had to tow it home. Before I started to really get into it, I tightened up the cable on my battery, I had noticed it was just snug. It immediately started and never gave me anymore trouble.

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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 02:58 AM
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https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...on-sensor.html
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 07:39 AM
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DJ, he said in the first post :
I've tried replacing the cps and resoldering the rcm but still nothing.
Fuse #11, or the dreaded PTCM ?
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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well, with no fire, you need to looking thru all the fuses, and wiring. If she is turning over, you start with the ignition system. You know the battery is good, and the starter is good. the CPS you put in, if not Bosch, it won't work. So, I hope you put in the Bosch CPS. Let me know.... and we can keep going from there
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:01 AM
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The CPS of other makers do work, but some do not work as well as Bosch.
There has been a thought lately that the CPS problems may be related to poor contacts between the CPS and its plug. Pushing the connector on and off for a while may clean the contacts and an application of dielectric grease may make the contact good for some extra time. Worth a shot anyway
Here is our CPS in position.
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:06 AM
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it is the distance of the sensor from the contact point. too far away and it won't read. if it doesn't read, no fire.... It may fire and run rough, or no fire at all....
Bosch is the correct part...
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
it is the distance of the sensor from the contact point. too far away and it won't read. if it doesn't read, no fire.... It may fire and run rough, or no fire at all....
Bosch is the correct part...
Others have used after market replacements, MrMiata for one and they worked fine. If they are to far away they will not work naturally.
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:15 AM
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Well, Dave...you seem to have this well in hand. I will move on.....have a nice day..... What the hell would I know anyway.... Both mine barely run 11 second 1/4 miles and 140 half miles with no failures. Imagine that.
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:42 AM
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Well, Dave...you seem to have this well in hand. I will move on.....have a nice day..... What the hell would I know anyway.... Both mine barely run 11 second 1/4 miles and 140 half miles with no failures. Imagine that.
I do not have it in hand but you said only Bosch works and that is not true. We cannot have things like that said when they are false facts.
Go through all the posts and see how many people have non Bosch CPS units installed, cam shaft position sensors are a different story.
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 07:27 PM
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DJ, he said in the first post :


Fuse #11, or the dreaded PTCM ?
Alright so I got home from work today and I checked fuse 11 and it was blown!I popped the new one in and it fired right up! Thanks Man!
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 10:33 PM
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Also I'm not using a Bosch crank position sensor and the car is running like a dream
 
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Old Aug 2, 2014 | 11:18 PM
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Also I'm not using a Bosch crank position sensor and the car is running like a dream

I'm glad it is all worked out. I was going to say that it is usually a simple fix, too many start fiddling with the wiring, which for the most part doesn't just go bad. No moving parts but corrosion can be a problem, especially in coastal areas.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 08:10 AM
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Another satisfied customer.
Glad I could be of help.
 
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