Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
I think it is going to take a lot more as far as bracing is concerned for the sway bar mount. I had mine up in the air this weekend and looked closely, no cracks yet. It does seem that there would be just enough room to slide a cross brace through the underside of sway bar mounting bracket all the way through to the other side mount to lock them both in. I think a 3/16" thick X 1 1/2" wide metal strap from side to side and then welded to the either the existing sway bar mount or new ones. This should tie the brackets together better. I think the big problem is not the vertical forces but the horizontal forces from side to side. I first saw this in Airescapes post with an i-phone tapped under the fender while driving. The sway bar moved side to side like crazy from what I had expected. This sounds like a job that MikeR could help out with once again. Where is Mike?
Last edited by onehundred80; 11-18-2012 at 09:05 PM.
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
I thought I would add to the data base here. 2004 w/ 117,000 miles. The mount completely ripped out on the driver side and is cracked on the passenger side. Welded in a plate to cover the hole in the body and also welded everything back underneath. On the right side, I just welded the crack since everything was still in one piece. Here is the picture before of the left side. Ugly.
Here is what it looks like repaired from the top. Welding is not pretty but better than a big hole with a loose sway bar slamming the body.
Here is what it looks like repaired from the top. Welding is not pretty but better than a big hole with a loose sway bar slamming the body.
Last edited by Johnf3; 12-10-2013 at 01:49 PM.
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
The better method I would think would be to lay a larger piece of metal over the hole, weld the trimmed edges of the hole to the new metal, weld all around the new metal and weld around the inside of 1/2" diameter holes in this new doubler, maybe 6 to 8 of them depending on the size. The support would be welded to this new doubler it being maybe twice as thick as the body material.
This would spread the load into the material around the hole. It should work out to be stronger than the original.
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
... uh if it's just the sway bar that needs to be replaced not more than about $700-800 for parts & labor. Not sure where they got $4800 from unless there's other damage...?
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
I see two issues where there should be none: The sway bar bracket cracking, and the area around where the sway bay attaches to the floor cracking and detaching it self from the floor. The steel (bracket material) is weak and cracks. The steel (floor material) is weak and cracks from stress applied by well attached brackets. It would say there is an issue with the material (steel) used to make the brackets and or floor sheet metal. The force (at the rubber bushing) on the sway bar should be simply rotational on an axis across the car. The OE sway bar has 2 pivot axes built into it to alleviate any other force, the pivot axis of the link at the control arm is lengthwise on the car and the pivot axis on the sway bar end of the link matches the sway bar bushing, across the car. Sway bar links that are shot to hell (severe binding) could change this equation somewhat. It would be interesting to see if the VINs of the cars affected are clumped together or not. If they were that would also point to a materials issue.
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
Well I'm now a member of the hole in the floor gang! Drivers side! What a pain! I find it hard to believe that this managed to get by the fatigue group...Oh well. I'd be interested if there were any factory recalls or notices on this issue. My car has had a very easy life, I'm surprised this happened. I design airplane structure and I have to say, it's a shockingly poor design. When I saw the bracket with the cracked out floor i couldn't believe that it wasn't a more substantial joint then that.
I guess I'm gonna have to find a body shop or a hot rod shop with an inventive mechanic! lol!! Definitely needs a large doubter of at least twice as thick material so there is some bearing capability and riveted or bolted on. Geez what a mess.
If anyone has any suggestions of a fix or a fabricator around Tulsa, please let me know!
Gracias!
I guess I'm gonna have to find a body shop or a hot rod shop with an inventive mechanic! lol!! Definitely needs a large doubter of at least twice as thick material so there is some bearing capability and riveted or bolted on. Geez what a mess.
If anyone has any suggestions of a fix or a fabricator around Tulsa, please let me know!
Gracias!
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
Reminds me of my 78 Sunbird V8 (66 built). Was SwDiv SCCA champion in Solo II and after 100,000 miles of autocrossing the clutch had pushed theough the firewall, both front shock towers had broken out and the front lower A-arm had seperated from the body. I used to crack a right front Vega GT wheel (inspected after every run) and wear out 2 front tires every weekend (new tires started on rear one weekend and moved to front next). Only hard thing to find were the 7 1/2" posi units that broke regularly (stock class).
See Padgett's Sunbird Page. XF is not first car I've had with a granny low & needing a longer top gear.
See Padgett's Sunbird Page. XF is not first car I've had with a granny low & needing a longer top gear.
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
My rear sway bar LH side retaining bracket just failed as well. I was wondering if anyone knows if it is a Mercedes part, or a Chrysler part, and if a Mercedes part, what the part number might be.
I can get a Mercedes part usually overnight, but here in Oz, Chrysler never to have anything in stock.
Cheers
Terry
I can get a Mercedes part usually overnight, but here in Oz, Chrysler never to have anything in stock.
Cheers
Terry
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
Fixed, No cracks in the mounting bracket or floor sheet metal. Unable to obtain new bushings in Australia, and Chrysler Australia don't even have a stock code for it. Had to put second hand ones on, so I will order some new ones from the U.S.
I have a hunch of what may have made the bracket snap. 2 weeks ago I had new tyres installed on the rear, and the tyre shop I use always say you need to put 38-40 psi in the tyres for optimum wear. I always drop the pressure to 32-34 psi just so the car isn't shaken to bits.
Two days before the bracket snapped I checked the tyre pressure and it was at 45 psi, so I think the extra air pressure may have put extra stress on the poorly engineered sway bar mount.
Thats my 2 cents anyway.
As for Chrysler Australia not supporting the Crossfire, I am pretty pissed.
Last year I went to the local stealership to maybe order a new D handle mechanism for the Convertible, and they said its on back order, will cost $1500.00 and take 12 to 18 months to arrive!!.
Cheers
Terry
I have a hunch of what may have made the bracket snap. 2 weeks ago I had new tyres installed on the rear, and the tyre shop I use always say you need to put 38-40 psi in the tyres for optimum wear. I always drop the pressure to 32-34 psi just so the car isn't shaken to bits.
Two days before the bracket snapped I checked the tyre pressure and it was at 45 psi, so I think the extra air pressure may have put extra stress on the poorly engineered sway bar mount.
Thats my 2 cents anyway.
As for Chrysler Australia not supporting the Crossfire, I am pretty pissed.
Last year I went to the local stealership to maybe order a new D handle mechanism for the Convertible, and they said its on back order, will cost $1500.00 and take 12 to 18 months to arrive!!.
Cheers
Terry
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
I was replacing my shocks last week and noticed that my sway bar brackets are broken and looks like they are being pulled away from the body. I recall M3's in the 90's also had issues with subframes ripping themselves apart.
Can any welder just spot weld this back together or has anyone found a permanent fix for this?
Can any welder just spot weld this back together or has anyone found a permanent fix for this?
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Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
Wondering if the ones that are cracking look like the ones on the '08s?
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...edesigned.html
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...edesigned.html
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
So yesterday I went under my car and took a look. The bracket on the passenger's side is completely broken and the driver's side is coming off slowly. Since this is my daily driver I'll probably will find a way to reinforce the current brackets instead of taking this to a shop to have the whole rear end taken out and rewelded.
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I took the car to my friend's Meiniki yesterday in San Antonio. No cracks, than he reenforced the chasy point where you guys been showing the cracks by welding it. He fixed the aligment issue I had, put on my new Eibach spacers and even cut the bolts to my custom size. Im impressed because my car is low and the shop owner even bought wood planks so my car would clear the ramks cost $150
Re: Rear Sway bar brackets cracking
I thought I would add to the data base here. 2004 w/ 117,000 miles. The mount completely ripped out on the driver side and is cracked on the passenger side. Welded in a plate to cover the hole in the body and also welded everything back underneath. On the right side, I just welded the crack since everything was still in one piece. Here is the picture before of the left side. Ugly.
Here is what it looks like repaired from the top. Welding is not pretty but better than a big hole with a loose sway bar slamming the body.
Here is what it looks like repaired from the top. Welding is not pretty but better than a big hole with a loose sway bar slamming the body.