Wait wait, we got mixed up somewhere. I could make a kit for 6200, the labor of putting it in puts the cost at 12-14K. Add in 8K for a donor and we are looking at 20-22K.

Sorry, it seemed right until I thought about it. 15K for buying a donor and all the work puts my labor at damn near nothing lol. I was saying if someone gave me their car, for that price I would warranty an install.

 

I'm contributing nothing to this thread but encouragement... obviously I won't be a customer BUT I can attest to Josh being a standup guy, and you obviously know your stuff.

If you can find low-maintenance customers and look at it as a hobby more than a business (like Franc said), I think you'll have a blast and make a few people very, very happy.

Either way, I wish you only the best in this.

 

So you won't dothis for free? LOL

I see where you get $5 K for your input. That is about right.

For the record I blew my engine once and it cost about $6200.00 to put it back. Next time I will remember your plans here.

Now.......

Step one,......Make reservatins at the Spring Dragon.
Step two, route the trip thru Nashville TN. I have only once made it thru Nashville TN without some sorta trouble. If I don't blow it redlining the Dragon, Ii'll have a back up plan..... Nashville.

 

No but a 3.x V-6 with DOHC, 4 valve head, and VVTi&e with 300hp on 87 PON could.

 

Thanks John! I appreciate it!

The guy I bought the 32 engine from said he was quoted 13K or something ridiculous like that. That's outrageous !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, please remember me lol.

Does anyone have the dragon address on hand?

Also, how many miles driving is average for the weekend?

I already talked the wife into it, it's just a matter of saving up the money's.

Could what lol?

 

We get a lot of people with replies that are hard to match to the correct post.

 

When I let my imagination fly I'd love one. But when it comes to writing the check I'm not sure. Being truthful here!
What I really want is another 100 hp. so that's the expensive engine.

Les

 

Worth every penny!!!

 

The Dragon is an Hour out of Knoxville TN. Highway 129 going into NC. 218curves all wrapped up in about 11 miles of snaky blacktop.. Muy 4 day weekend there for the fall/spring meets is generally 2,500 miles It is about 650 Miles from my St Louis home. And I tend to redline the engine there. A lot


Having removed the rev limiter in gears 4,5,6, I play with fire downshifting at the higher speeds. So my engine will suffer a premature failure.


Although 180 dismisses it out of hand, Eurocharged has claimed me close to 290 HP more or less. What does the V/8 give me? And what is the weight gain over the Na six?

Since we will be talking a Wavetrack, what other changes to the rear suspension will be, or could be, done?

 

These damn little cars should have come out with a V8 in the first place. It would sound great. Sure there is a market for this, might be few and far between but there is a buyer, as long as you are not in a hurry to sell.

 

Lmao

Yep, and you'd have the potential for 1-200 more pretty easily.

I don't even have one yet and I agree 100%! lol

Looks like 5700 miles for me including 1300 miles of driving while there. With my safety margin a grand would cover the gas. Maybe a grand for hotel and food to get there…. Hmmm. I'll be talking to my wife about making one of the next two meets.

Yeah, rev limiter removed! That's nuts!

The 5.0L gives you 308 stock, but that doesn't matter… What matters is the 340 ft-lbs stock. Now the SL500 puts 255-265whp down stock… With a manual? No clue but it's a good amount higher than that. I'd estimate 275whp and 309 wheel ft-lbs. With mods it can crawl pretty high. I also have the Kleemann tune for their supercharger on the 5.0 engine if anyone ever decides to run that direction as well. With a secondary cat delete, good flowing intake, good flowing dual exhaust, and tune you're looking at 360 ish at the crank hp, and maybe 390-410 ft-lbs. The motor is MAYBE 60-80 lbs heavier than the NA.

When it comes to what 'could' be done. I'll go on forever. Right now I'm stock suspension with cut rear springs. It handles amazing. Throttle steer when I want it, and dives in good.

I recommend ground control, even though we don't know what it entails yet .

Wavetrac, SRT wing (downforce), and at minimum SRT brakes. I'm running stock brakes at the moment but one of my goals will be big ole beasts like the 55 brakes or something.

 

Agreed Bart, patience can run a long way with a sale like this would be. I think I'm going to go for it and see what happens. It's not like I'll be out anything because in my mind, I'll just have another bad *** car lol.

 

Honestly, try to avoid "pie in the sky". I think it would be far more reasonable, and easy to just sell the "kit" and leave the engine and integration to the customer. Take Diablosport for example. They unlock the ability to swap engines, tune stock ones, etc. Their niche is simply having cracked the code.

While you, already have full access to a decent range of MB hardware, enough of a spread to make good margin and build some capital for whatever the next step would be.

Just a thought. But hey, never know what could happen. I may just be a customer someday.

 

Well, I'm part way there, I have SRT brakes all around.


Yes, torque is the key. A steady flat torque curve. And the sound of a V/8 will never come from even the most throaty six.

 

I guess it is my turn to give my 2 cents worth.
First most of you know my V8 was installed by Rudy, the engine i got had 4000 miles, on it, my car had 32000 miles on it . when i got the car from Rudy I took it to the drag strip, 11.7 at that time it had stock intake, a mild tune and a 172 pulley. I bought the engine transmission ecu and wiring. being this was #3, Paul,,#1 Beaner #2 , my cost was never set because i told Rudy that I may call him and want changes, I received my car July 3 2010 within 4 days I was on the track, it now has 60,000 miles on it and that is almost 10,000 miles on the track, 152 runs down the 1/4 mile . the only thing i had to do to my car was change some of the cooling system, July is 90 degrees every day and the street is around 120, today ,y car temps runs 189 eng and 55 iat my mods today are 2 1/4 exhaust, and tune by J S Benz ,,tcm with 327 gears by Rudy 172 pulley,,intake by Needswings
I have been following you on your . swapping a V8 into a crossfire and it is not for the everyday mechanic. I give you credit there. as far as warranty , that is up to you. if I was going to get another V8 or V12 crossfire (sorry but) Rudy would be doing it,,, if someone offered to buy yours, send that person to me $40,000.00 will buy mine, as the fastest crossfire in the world, it is worth more but , I could buy another one have Rudy install a twin turbo v12 and have 8 to 10 dollars left over, Justed priced a v12 $25000.00
Note: (My wife drives my car to the mall all the time) this is just to show how smooth it is.
why Rudy,you ask. I have seen his work, amd his work is tested every day an most of the crossfires on this forum.look up all the things he has made for all the crossfires.
as for cost I was ready to get a Saturn Sky and install a 5.7 zo6 motor & tranny in it was quoted 19000 for the car and 20 for a crate motor and 15800 to install ,, My crossfire did not cost me near that what it did cost me was well worth it, If you would like to go from 80 to 140 in 7 seconds come on down. what ever you do good luck. if i can do anything to help you let me know. jim

Edit My suspension and brakes were upgraded at time of the engine install.

 

v12 twin turbo wow. I would love to see numbers the car would make. Do it Jim.

 

sorry didn't mean to jack your post just answering his statement .
Yup,, we have talked about it and we have the engine and the tranny, which the tranny 7sp is not as strong as the 5 speed (AUTO ) I do NOT want a std shift. jim

 

Still a hard sale, only because, like I mentioned earlier, there is a very small market and most of the younger guys who would be interested do not have 12K and no bank is going to finance a 12 year old XF for $12K, especially one that has been so heavily modified.

A good price, for sure.

 

Refer to Jim's post, down.

That would be cool though!

Nice! I need to upgrade the brakes but I just havent had the coin when deals pop up.

The torque curve on this V8 is extremely early, and very flat. 6th gear at 55 on the highway and you can still pass people. The sound is $h!tty coming out of the stock exhaust setup. Hacked off where it meets to one, it's loud, but it's beautiful.

I had never talked to Rudy until I was done with my swap. He's a good guy that does amazing work and now we talk often, share ideas, compare notes. His work is beautiful, now I want to fill in the blanks... My work was centered around manual trans, his auto. Mine was all about NA V8's, his SC. I want to offer the community the oppurtunity to have what he did to your guys cars at a mixture of different rates based on different power levels.

I don't make my own parts yet, about all I can do is make the custom exhaust manifolds with my buddy so that you dont have to drop the exhaust for the swap. Well obviously I do ECU's as well but I will be offering more in the future. And like I said earlier, I'd like to get the software for tuning so that I can do everything...

Thanks Jim

 

It would definitely be a beast.

I wonder how he's going to cram it in there lol. I thought he mentioned they were too long. hm

True, like said earlier, I'll probably build one with plans to keep it but keep the idea open for selling it.