Hello everyone!

I've been thinking about doing an Eurocharge tune for a while now on my 2004 Limited Stock. Is it worth it and what is the ongoing rate for this?
How much additional performance can one expect and are there downsides? Like worse mpg, brakes outdated in respect to added performance etc.?
Just trying to figure out if I really need the tune or now but I'm sure interested!

Thanks for all inputs on this.
Nick

 

I've tested the waters on the "is it worth it" with my car..


Wife decided on an 05 roadster.. granted I have a 74mm throttle body upgrade.. but almost hated driving her roadster over mine. "Do to my car whatever you have done to yours" was music to my ears. The throttle body was good for a little added performance and take off giggles.. And now you can even buy it for less than the 300 paid for the wife's cars tune.

 

Well worth it in my book. I paid $300 on sale. I had it tuned 2 years ago (tune only) and loved it. I posted 2 reviews about it on here somewhere. others have as well. I just added the needswings DCAI this summer and then had it retuned by Eurocharge (free tunes for life if to make adjustements for mod upgrades) and wow. I'm done with performance mods on it now. The DCAI and the tune make me happy and you you can't get much more ponies out of it than I have now anyway, even with much more serious money. Car is more responsive and a blast to drive In my view, the tune is well worth it.

Here's my recent review of my tune:
My first and only mod up until now was the eurocharge tune. I did a long write up back on my experience with that back in July / August of 2012. In summary, my initial reaction to the tune was I didn't notice much difference in the low end / take-off performance, at least at first. My experience in the mid to upper range of RPM was..........Wow, yes I noticed it. As I drove it more, I began to notice even lower end lower rpm differences, primarily in shift points. Part of that might have been due to me "training" the tranny. Anyway, I was definitely satisfied with it. HOWEVER, I also knew someday I would do the Needswings DCAI install. I chose the dual because I like the look and the symetry of it. I also know others who had done the mod like it, said it was noticeable and it certainly looks bad *** (IMO). After my install, I coordinated my free retune with Eurocharge to make the computer adjustments to account for the DCAI. Results.......WOW, it once again make a difference. I feel it more in the lower end than before and the upper end is again, very noticeable. I'm very happy with it. The Eurocharge tune / Needswings DCAI combined HP increase is 40 collective HP. I am not going to dyno it, so I have no idea of how the mods translate to the wheels, but in terms of how the car "feels", it feels great. I have chosen not to do the 74mm upgrade. Not sure it makes that much difference and I have heard some have experienced codes after the install. It will be marginal help so I'm not going to bother. I'm done with performance mods. The 2 biggest bang for the buck mods are these so if I want more HP I'll just go buy and SRT. Hope this helps you out. Let me know how your mods go.

UPDATE: Sorry, I didn't answer your question about mileage. Hard to say. I get on it more now than I used to. It's a weekend car so when I take it out it is to "play". That being said, it doesn't appear to have had any negative effect on my cruising experience. It's about the same if not a little better on the highway

 

Thanks for the tips. I really want to get a tune to see how my car feels after that. Like I said my car is bone STOCK so I have no other improvements but if you guys say the tune will still make sense for now I'll probably go for it and give it a shot!

 

Have many noticed a significant difference for a manual transmission stock limited crossfire? I have a manual transmission, but it seems like all the reviews that I hear about the tune seem to be the shift points that the automatics have? I've thought of getting the tune done but not sure if its worth it on the manual or not..

 

The ECU tune will get better performance out your Crossfire, better gas mileage and increased HP. Mileage probably won't matter if you are getting on it more often. Eurocharged also has a tune for automatic transmission shift points.

 

So it seems like even if I have a bone stock Crossfire NA the tune should lead to a noticeable difference in performance in order to warrant the price?
Has there been any measuring occurred in regards to torque comparing NA and NA after Eurocharge tune?

 

Some have had their Crossfires Na's and SRT6's dyno'd as I have, however I didn't know the numbers before the dyno. I can tell you there was a difference by the seat of my pants. It was much quicker. Everyone I talked to that had the tune done the same time as me said they seen a huge difference.

 

Hey Nick, not to get into another pissing match. Think of it this way, all manufactures don't tune their cars to be at their peak. They want certain fuel mileage to be reached, and to be within limits for longevity of the parts and the motor. Performance means you want all you can get out of the car within safe limits. Eurocharged, or any tuner for that matter will take the car to it's peak performance parameters. That's all. It will be within it safe range of operation, but a the peak. You won't over rev, and your mileage might suffer a little, but in some cases, just the opposite happens. You will see a difference. Question is, is it worth $300 or so to you?

 

You would never get in a pissing match with me. I respect and have liked all the posts you have posted in my threads or on the forum in general. I'm sure you are referring to that clown in the Sprint Booster forum, who unfortunately has the same name as me "Nick".
Either way, did you get your car tuned?

I am getting it for $250 and it's pretty much worth it for me as I think our cars are very quick as they are but a little more zip is all I am looking for and I'm sure I would relally enjoy it!
I might do some more mods down the line (TB and CAI) so the bonus would be that they would re-tune for free every time I update.
Thanks for your opinion!

 

LOL.....tuned many times. You have to re-tune when you add more power mods to your car. Those retunes are free as long as you own the car. So, if later, you add a cold air intake, you can get your car tuned for it.

 

Well spent money, had mine for 3 year's now ,my little na pull hard now , lot more fun to drive,

 

I recently purchased Eurocharged's ECU tune as well and noticed a difference on an otherwise stock car. Mine is an SRT-6 but I would expect that you would see similar results with your N/A. Also the folks at Eurocharged are great to work with, took about a week from placing my order, to getting the tune uploaded to my car, including them shipping me the cable.

 

I'm very excited to receive the cable. Was sent on Tuesday so we will see! Either way, it seems like these guys are not only very professional and friendly but also know exactly what they are doing.
Seems to be the most popular tuning company on the Crossfireforum!

I'd like to know though what exactly is it that the tune changes in particular and is that the absolute MAX they can do or could they push it further depending on what the customer wants?

 

My suggestion is to sent them an email and ask, I know they can tune your car on a dyno if you are can get it to them. That would ensure the best result for your particular car/mods. I think you will be pleased with the results of the remote tune, and if you add modifications in the future, they will re-tune for those mods.

A dyno tune may also make more sense after you modify the engine further, if that is what you plan to do.

 

Nick, we call those tunes a "canned" tune because you aren't on a dyno but are just downloading a tune they have saved from a car with the same mods or no mods in your case that has been tuned on a dyno. It is as close as you can get without actually being there. You should be on the phone with them when they do your tune. They will answer your questions.

 

Thanks for the heads up. So my question would be the tune you guys received is definitely the best you were able to get with what you have, correct? Or did you actually tell them what you want and they adjusted their tune?
I'm very excited about the tune, I think from what I heard here I should feel a little improvement and that's all I'm looking for because in the future I will get CAI and TB. Would have done those first if you'd have to pay for every tune but since re-tune is free I figured it won't hurt to get the tune out of the way!

 

Well, you will have different opinions on that subject. I tend to do all my mods and then do the tune. Problem is, someone always comes up with another "go fast" part that I just have to have. Then, it is re-tune time, lol. That hasn't happened that often, but it does happen. My reasoning is, you are messing with electronics, and I don't want to tap that area anymore than I have to. You will enjoy it I am sure. It stretches a few parameters you will notice immediately. They set the parameters. Unless you have something specific in mind. They will raise your top end limiter, not that any of us here would ever try to move beyond 158 mph.....lol

 

Makes total sense. I'm just going to see how I like it after the tune and in the future if I decide to do the TB or CAI updates I will do both at the same time then re-tune so I won't have to do it after every single upgrade and risk frying the ECU.
Always was wondering what the sense of the top end limiter removal was - the speed is crazy fast and probably almost nobody on here has ever went that high very often.

 

The ME in our cars is pretty stout. I have roughly 80 retunes on my car. Only once did I feel like I "bricked" the ME. A simple hard reset and all was good.