I was bored so I started searching the internet for Crossfire stuff.
I know there will be the usual barrage of 'nay' sayers etc.
Is the link below the equivalent of a grounding kit? - which has been discussed on this forum before?

http://www.eautoworks.com/html/produ...36857&reff=SMX

Just wondering if there's any knowledgeable people (not opinionated! ).

 

I have the hyper voltage system GT and have discussed it in another thread. I am very pleased with it. My lights (interior and exterior) do not fluctuate at idle any more when idling at a stop light and the A/C compressor cycles on or off. All of the other claims are just that as far as I am concerned. If there is more horsepower, it is not enough to notice. Less emissions - has not been tested. I bought it strictly to help with the voltage fluctuations and it does exactly that. If all the other claims are true, then it's a bonus, but nothing you will know by just installing it and driving.

Hope this helps with whatever result you are looking for.

 

I have the HV GT as well. If you're going to get one don't get the ECO, because the GT is much better. You can use it with the ground kit, you get a bracket to mount it and an indicator light telling you your battery status. This version is not only for better gas mileage but for more HP and torque. See my site for more.

 

I know I'm putting my Guy's card at risk here, but what's the purpose of this device.

 

More HP and TQ? Lol.

 

And your comments are based on what experience with the system...??? I wouldn't laugh too loudly.

 

Well, as a 30 year veteran Electrical Engineer designing high power supplies for ultrasound diagnostic imaging systems, I have to say you've taken my friend.

 

That sounded more harsh than I meant it...but the question was asked for an answer without the usual barrage or opinionated responses. I do have the system and have tried to be totally up-front and honest in my evaluation. Claims are just that...and I understand that. But I have noticed that if it doesn't give you 100 bhp and you don't have dyno sheets to back it up, then some forum members will laugh their ***** off and blast those that look for any improvement, no matter how small or in what system of the car. I enjoy learning all there is to know about this car and what is available for it...and what, if any, improvement it makes. Condescension helps nobody. Sorry for venting...my 2 cents.

 

Well, I respect your feedback on my reply Danimal. I didn't mean to be condescending towards anyone with my opinions.

The answer is NO, the capacitor Spensley purchased is not the grounding kit.

The grounding kit operates on the premise that there is enough resistance in the circuit grounding the engine to the chassis to reduce the voltage seen by the ignition system sufficiently to compromise the ignition system performance to a level detectable by the driver.

The grounding kit is, in my opinion, not effective because the ground resistance between the block and the chassis is irrelevant. The ignition circuit does not include the chassis, but rather is made through the positive battery cable, the fuse/relay circuits, the ignition system itself, and returns via the negative battery cable, and that is quite low already.

 

polywave...my feedback was not directed toward you. Your comments were very helpful. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'll back out of this thread as it is taking a different direction than spensley initiated and I hope he gets the info he was looking for.

 

Danimal -

I think you were honest when you said that if there is any possible increase in hp or tq, it's not noticeable or measurable. I respect you for installing the grounding kit to improve your car. If it solves the problem of dimming lights, then it's worth it. I just find it funny when people install something, such as a ground kit, and claim that it's for "increased horsepower" when we all know it's not.

 

Dimming lights sounds like an interesting phenomenon. Here's my take on flickering lights:

First, it helps to know that the current output of an alternator is low at low RPMs, and increases as the RPMs increase.

Second, it seems to be widely accepted by the automotive industry to design automobiles with charge systems that cannot provide the current needed under worse case load (while the car is idling and everything is turned on and at maximum).
This is deemed acceptable because the RPMs are at idle for low time periods, and the battery has sufficient storage capacity to supply the missing current required by the automobile during the idling period.
The current taken from the battery during idling is restored when the RPMs increase during normal driving.

The capacity of a battery, compared to the capacity of an aftermarket add-on capacitor, is on the order of 1000X greater. So, IMHO, adding the aftermarket capacitor does indeed have an effect, it's equivalent to adding an additional 1/1000 of a battery to the automobile.

Flickering lights would be noticeable if there were, effectively, no battery in the system and the system were under heavy load. But, I assume, Spensley, that your car did have a good working battery at the time you added the capacitor. So I'm not sure why you feel the flickering light problem went away when you added the capacitor.

Danimal, I want to say something here, and I'm not attacking anyone's intelligence level.

I have been working in a Research & Development department all my carrier as an electrical engineer. This experience has taught me that in order to determine the effects of a change one has to follow a specific change method. This is not happening here, nor should it in all cases. This forum has members from all areas of expertise.

Maybe engineers really are just a$$holes that don't really understand the NORMAL guy (or Crossfiregal). If my style of being direct is offensive to anyone, and I mean anyone, on this forum then please speak up, and I'll take it somewhere else.

 

Thanks all, I was just interested.
(The extra weight probably negates any power increase)!!!

 

polywave,

I appreciate input from ANYONE with more real world experience than me.

I've been 'dabbling' in electronics and automotive customizing for years. No professional experience at all.

I would have to agree with everything you said on the performance of the capacitor and the grounding system and the way I know automotive electrical systems to function.

A grounding kit will do one thing for sure on most production vehicles. It will almost eliminate that 'stop-light-idle-flicker of interior/dash lights under heavy load of the electrical system. It will also make your headlights brighter under that same heavy load at idle (and in gear, if you have an automatic). It may not completely get rid of it, but it will help a lot. Most of the chassis grounding systems I've seen over the years (new and old cars) were far from being able to handle the maximum amperage that the electrical system (chassis side) could draw from the alternator/battery.

Almost always the 'ground strap' is about half the size it needs to be and is not properly soldered copper to terminals. It's usually a crimped braided steel strap or some such.

As to the HP gain claim. If there is any, it will be so small as to be undetectable unless you get a REALLY precise dyno and consistent runs (yeah, right).

I will probably do this mod eventually.

Cheers!

 

all my previous cars where used with a few years of weathering on them so when i built grounding kits for them it was always a drastic improvement ... this will not stop me from making one for the crossfire, but i will be doing partially for looks with some very nice cables and crimps and very little for the performance gain that may or may not be there and all the rest because it will keep the electrical system happy for years to come...

 

Polywave, I do not have one of these installed, nor have I complained about flickering lights (you seem to have the wrong end of the stick).
I am planning on putting the Evosport pulleys on my car, should this affect the lights (dimming etc.), then I may half heartedly consider something like this if the flickering/dimming lights annoys me too much.

Has anyone out there had any noticeable affects like this from pulleys?

 

Oh yea, Danimal was saying he installed the hyper voltage system GT.

Which stick was that?