Ran A 15.5 At The Track. How Can I Improve?
Originally Posted by onehundred80
Well with those revs as the maximum I guess we can cut the HP down as well.
From the spec sheet.
Power (SAE net) _______________________________________________215 hp (160 kW) @ 5700 rpm (67.2 bhp/liter)
Torque (SAE net) __________________________________________________ ______229 lb.-ft. (310 N•m) @ 3000 rpm
Max. Engine Speed __________________________________________________ ______6000 rpm electronically limited
Just gimme the facts man, 6,000 seems about right.
From the spec sheet.
Power (SAE net) _______________________________________________215 hp (160 kW) @ 5700 rpm (67.2 bhp/liter)
Torque (SAE net) __________________________________________________ ______229 lb.-ft. (310 N•m) @ 3000 rpm
Max. Engine Speed __________________________________________________ ______6000 rpm electronically limited
Just gimme the facts man, 6,000 seems about right.
They have worked on a few more cars than you. Argue with them.
Our engines are rated at 215 HP yet the same engine in the 320 SLK is 229 HP "by the book" Their actually is no difference. What's that about? Marketing. Diamler didn't want people thinking the cheaper Crossie had the same potential.
We learn so much from aftermarket gearheads and bless them, they know their stuff better than most of the factory mechanics. And they know the specs, the true ones.
You really should find a better hobby than trying to prove me wrong all the time.
BTW I think the speed limiter is based on the speedometer, not the tach, but can't swear to it.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Mar 29, 2010 at 01:03 AM.
Did a little unscientific research this morning. At 75 MPH (about 119-120 KPH) I got 2700-2800 RPMS on the tach. That equates to 5400-5500 rpms at 150 MPH (238-240 KPH)
Since the rev limiter can be set for every gear on a manual, the system could be programed to limit rev's at 5470 in 6th thereby limiting the car to 150-155 range. Which is where everybody seems to agree it tends to fall.
6,000 RPM as posted in whatever that "factual" document is would put top speed at 164 MPH (262 KPH) which we know is not the factory limit.
I stand by my numbers. 5470 RPMs was likely the rev limit on my car when it first went on the dyno. Just like Jake told me.
Since my rev limiter is now set at 6300 RPM in 6th gear my theoretical top speed would be 172.76 MPH (272 KPH). Assuming the HP and the torque can get it there over wind resistance.
I know last week I was bumping 160 on the speedo. Car wasn't even panting.
Just sayin'
roadster with stick
Since the rev limiter can be set for every gear on a manual, the system could be programed to limit rev's at 5470 in 6th thereby limiting the car to 150-155 range. Which is where everybody seems to agree it tends to fall.
6,000 RPM as posted in whatever that "factual" document is would put top speed at 164 MPH (262 KPH) which we know is not the factory limit.
I stand by my numbers. 5470 RPMs was likely the rev limit on my car when it first went on the dyno. Just like Jake told me.
Since my rev limiter is now set at 6300 RPM in 6th gear my theoretical top speed would be 172.76 MPH (272 KPH). Assuming the HP and the torque can get it there over wind resistance.
I know last week I was bumping 160 on the speedo. Car wasn't even panting.
Just sayin'
roadster with stick
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
Did a little unscientific research this morning. At 75 MPH (about 119-120 KPH) I got 2700-2800 RPMS on the tach. That equates to 5400-5500 rpms at 150 MPH (238-240 KPH)
Since the rev limiter can be set for every gear on a manual, the system could be programed to limit rev's at 5470 in 6th thereby limiting the car to 150-155 range. Which is where everybody seems to agree it tends to fall.
6,000 RPM as posted in whatever that "factual" document is would put top speed at 164 MPH (262 KPH) which we know is not the factory limit.
I stand by my numbers. 5470 RPMs was likely the rev limit on my car when it first went on the dyno. Just like Jake told me.Since my rev limiter is now set at 6300 RPM in 6th gear my theoretical top speed would be 172.76 MPH (272 KPH). Assuming the HP and the torque can get it there over wind resistance.I know last week I was bumping 160 on the speedo. Car wasn't even panting.Just sayin'roadster with stick
Since the rev limiter can be set for every gear on a manual, the system could be programed to limit rev's at 5470 in 6th thereby limiting the car to 150-155 range. Which is where everybody seems to agree it tends to fall.
6,000 RPM as posted in whatever that "factual" document is would put top speed at 164 MPH (262 KPH) which we know is not the factory limit.
I stand by my numbers. 5470 RPMs was likely the rev limit on my car when it first went on the dyno. Just like Jake told me.Since my rev limiter is now set at 6300 RPM in 6th gear my theoretical top speed would be 172.76 MPH (272 KPH). Assuming the HP and the torque can get it there over wind resistance.I know last week I was bumping 160 on the speedo. Car wasn't even panting.Just sayin'roadster with stick
Originally Posted by onehundred80
So you say the revs limit speed rather than the speedometer reading?
I'm sayin that what Jake told me fits the math, fits observations.
You can duplicate it yourself, which is why I posted KPH values.
Do the math, it works both ways on the revs at 150 MPH and the speeds people have been posting.
Some of the literature about the car has quasi facts. Not uncommon in the auto industry.
The guys at Eurocharged, and the guys at TVT, know better what our cars are doing, what they are capable of and aren't selling anything but good service.
Auto companies sell whatever their lawyers tell them is OK.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Mar 29, 2010 at 12:37 PM.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
The guys at Eurocharged, and the guys at TVT, know better what our cars are doing, what they are capable of and aren't selling anything but good service.
Auto companies sell whatever their lawyers tell them is OK.
Auto companies sell whatever their lawyers tell them is OK.
Sorry John I disagree, I think this is probably one of the truest statements on this forum.
[quote=Franc Rauscher]I am saying I don't know, but it doesn't matter.
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[quote=Franc Rauscher]I am saying I don't know, but it doesn't matter.
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[quote=onehundred80]Sorry John I disagree, I think this is probably one of the truest statements on this forum.
I knew when I typed that phrase you would rise to the bait.
Foolish old man. You really need to find a different hobby.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
I am saying I don't know, but it doesn't matter.
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Foolish old man. You really need to find a different hobby.
[quote=Franc Rauscher]
OK Mario.....
Originally Posted by onehundred80
Sorry John I disagree, I think this is probably one of the truest statements on this forum.
I knew when I typed that phrase you would rise to the bait.
Foolish old man. You really need to find a different hobby.
I knew when I typed that phrase you would rise to the bait.
Foolish old man. You really need to find a different hobby.
Originally Posted by Franc Rauscher
I know last week I was bumping 160 on the speedo. Car wasn't even panting.
I will echo most of the comments here. Achieving the "magazine" published quarter miles are typical your best case scenario bearing in mind some are theoretical numbers based on track conditions and weather.
Track prep and weather variables will play a major role in what you can run take into account humidity, temperature, headwind, etc also pay close attention to track preparation.
A couple of pointers regarding improving your "stock" numbers are:
1. Reset your throttle
2. Don't race a full tank
3. Pay close attention to engine temps (dont drive 80mph to the track for 3 hrs and expect to immediately make a decent pass)
4. Check tire pressure, lower pressure in the rear can improve traction (not likely an issue on bases and limited unless poor track prep) slightly higher pressure in the front can reduce friction.
As for more power (as much as I hate the response) an srt is a better value than modding if you are looking for high hp/or competitive track times. Otherwise look into the vendors mentioned for CAI, injectors, tune etc.
I'm no expert and have only tracked my car a few times and my base model (6sp) consistently ran 15.130-15.177 (always at 93mph) with good track prep and 3/4's full of fuel. Unfortunately this is also after about a 2hr drive to the track and only about a 5 min cooldown. Based on my lack of experience with drag racing (only my second time) I think a good driver could get a base into the high 14's but dropping a second off that is going to get expensive.
For those who can make sense of the numbers below is a slip from my first pass.
Perhaps someone can indicate the weak points of these cars in stock form.
I was likely a bit conservative with throttle off the line as it tended to bog a bit at launch.
My best time was a 15.130 with a r/t of .065
Slip03.jpg?t=1269916230
Track prep and weather variables will play a major role in what you can run take into account humidity, temperature, headwind, etc also pay close attention to track preparation.
A couple of pointers regarding improving your "stock" numbers are:
1. Reset your throttle
2. Don't race a full tank
3. Pay close attention to engine temps (dont drive 80mph to the track for 3 hrs and expect to immediately make a decent pass)
4. Check tire pressure, lower pressure in the rear can improve traction (not likely an issue on bases and limited unless poor track prep) slightly higher pressure in the front can reduce friction.
As for more power (as much as I hate the response) an srt is a better value than modding if you are looking for high hp/or competitive track times. Otherwise look into the vendors mentioned for CAI, injectors, tune etc.
I'm no expert and have only tracked my car a few times and my base model (6sp) consistently ran 15.130-15.177 (always at 93mph) with good track prep and 3/4's full of fuel. Unfortunately this is also after about a 2hr drive to the track and only about a 5 min cooldown. Based on my lack of experience with drag racing (only my second time) I think a good driver could get a base into the high 14's but dropping a second off that is going to get expensive.
For those who can make sense of the numbers below is a slip from my first pass.
Perhaps someone can indicate the weak points of these cars in stock form.
I was likely a bit conservative with throttle off the line as it tended to bog a bit at launch.
My best time was a 15.130 with a r/t of .065
Slip03.jpg?t=1269916230
Last edited by shaverj; Mar 29, 2010 at 09:36 PM.
the 60ft is what you need to work on, no doubt about it. for every 0.1 you can shave off your 60ft time you should yeild a drop of 0.2 seconds ET thru the 1/4 mile! launch harder without spinning the tires.
Originally Posted by JHM2K
The speed/times should come as no shock (and subsequently, no knock) to you.
Last time I checked, staying in my throttle for 14 seconds would land me a hefty reckless driving ticket, if caught. So, it's fast enough for me
When I bought this car, I knew several things before even turning the ignition:
And, I gained all the unexpected things I listed.
The mustangs can have their 13-second quarter miles... I'll arrive a few seconds later, after the smoke clears, and arrive in style.
After all... if you're important, they'll wait.
Last time I checked, staying in my throttle for 14 seconds would land me a hefty reckless driving ticket, if caught. So, it's fast enough for me
When I bought this car, I knew several things before even turning the ignition:
- The list of cars that can beat me is roughly equal to the number of cars I can beat. So, choose wisely
- 215 HP is not going to scare much of anything
- 150mph in a bone-stock vehicle, on the other hand, WILL scare some folks
- I would NOT be able to buy any other car with half the pedigree my Crossfire has, in half as good of condition, for the dollar I paid
- I would be driving an eye-catching, extinct piece of automotive art.
- I underestimated the amount of attention this car draws... You'd better be an extrovert
- This car not only does 150 in stock form, but it does so magnificently. 150 never felt so smooth, and I've been there a few times in several different machines. Truly impressed.
- The combo of a 6MT, cedar interior, and Alabaster more than makes up for the OMG acceleration of the SRT that I passed up... for me, at least. The only time I had buyer's remorse was when I tried to keep up with an SRT... but, when I looked down and saw 135mph, I realized that was just as fast of a trip to the jail as theirs was. All other times, I'm completely happy with my purchase. My combo is a rare one.... And a gorgeous one.
- Don't even get me started on the attention this thing gets from women. My girlfriend is absolutely in love with it, too.
- It is the most practical sports car I can imagine... I regularly observe 26-27 mpg, something I wasn't expecting.
- It draws kudos from all age demographics... I get thumbs-ups from the elderly, winks from the cougars, attaboys from my peers, and faces planted against the windows from young eyes that are half the legal driving age.
- It is, by far, the most comfy sports/touring coupe I've ever had the pleasure of driving.
And, I gained all the unexpected things I listed.
The mustangs can have their 13-second quarter miles... I'll arrive a few seconds later, after the smoke clears, and arrive in style.
After all... if you're important, they'll wait.
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