I know what you mean, but we could at least keep some stupid drivers off the road by not ever giving them licenses in the first place. Some may still drive without a license, but some may think twice when faced with severe consequences.

And when these morons still do drive, we can put them in jail or fine them a pretty penny for endangering others' lives. I don't think this country takes the task of driving seriously enough. The issue of cupholders is good example- many European cars (made for Europe) either don't come with them or come with very small ones. Here in America, our cars are made with large ones and lots of them. I remember the family minivan when I was a kid- a '93 Plymouth Voyager. From what I can remember, the thing had more cupholders than there were seats. Why the difference? Europeans focus on driving as a task alone, while here in America we text, do our hair, makeup, drink coffee, talk on the cellphone, read books, and in some occasions we change our clothes while driving on the highway.

Maybe the problem is that we allow people that do things like this to drive off with a slap on the wrist. Merely insulting another driver while using the Autobahn can result in a $500 USD fine. You can also have your license suspended for one to three months for tailgating while traveling over 100km/h (about 60 mph).

Statistically, the Autobahn is safer than our highways. Stricter laws don't matter?

 

on this planet we have mecum and barrett-jackson...uh, that's just in america, dewd. they're on cable and satellite. lastly, for the small-minded, let's just talk chrysler. look intently sometime for a low-mileage, original vehicle versus one that's "driven some" and compare/contrast sales prices. however, if you just wanna drive and ignore your future wallet...well, then that's on you.

 

I'd rather have a car accidentally written off, knowing that it died doing what it was made to do, rather than have an unmoving vehicle to stare at, hoping it goes up in value. (my theory is prices will go down and hover around the same 15-20 grand mark for a near zero miler).

I bought my '05 with 400 Miles on it a few months ago. it now has close to 3000 and I'm enjoying every inch of it

Cars are more valuable than green paper.

 

I bought mine with 80 miles on it new in 2005. I now have 56K miles on it (spread out over 5 years of driving). I have enjoyed it and used it as a daily driver. Now my commute is longer and I drive an older car as my daily driver. I feel better each day knowing my baby is sitting in the garage and does not have to deal with the crazy rush hour drivers each day, possible deer assaults, sun damage in TX heat...etc. I feel better knowing I can put the key in and enjoy it on weekends.

I have enjoyed my crossfire to the fullest. I get tired of people telling me it needs to be driven and abused because that is what it is meant to do! I have been there and done that! I am now enjoying my crossfire in a different way. I am enjoying it safely tucked away in the garage. Just giving it a rest for a little while with an occasional drive on the weekends. I have just been very busy around the house with projects so I haven't taken it out for a few weeks. My projects are now complete so it is back to enjoying the car on weekends.

And I am not expecting it to go up in value. I don't see it as an investment for money. I see it for an investment in my sanity when I am older. In 20 years when I retire I want to be able to still have the car and enjoy it.

 

What an intelligent argument, dewd.

Drive and ignore my future wallet? Do you have a ouija board I don't know about because there have been many arguments made against this car ever being a collectible. What if you tuck an SRT away and in 30 years it is worth nill, I have been driving my NA and enjoying it, meticulously maintaining it as well. It is not a car I would 'invest' in, at the moment.

When I said, and I quote, "a lower mileage car that has been driven some and well maintained," and then you tell me to look at a low mileage, original vehicle, did you not read what I said at all? we are talking about the same thing. You say 'driven some' as if I meant to find a vehicle that had been drag raced 50K miles when clearly that was not my intent. My point is a car that has been loved and driven 5K miles over 30 years is going to be much more desireable and run much better than a car not maintained with 20 miles on the ODO.

Mecum and Barrett Jackson? Maybe a mint SRT will be worth something many years down the road, but I hate to burst your bubble, these things are not long lost Picassos. You can barely get 1/3 asking MSRP for an almost perfect vehicle now, less than 6 years old.

I want a daily driver that is safe, fun, and affordable to drive. You take that SRT that has been sitting on a dealer lot for 4 years, never started, sitting out in the rain, seals and gaskets probably ruined, and see how much you get for it at Barrett Jackson.

 

you said it. i wouldn't invest in a na at all. that's one of the primary reasons i don't own one. i've been collecting cars all my life and i've never lost money on a very low mileage, special interest vehicle. and yeah, i expect to make money on my crossfires in a few years. if i decide to let one go. we'll see.

 

If they made the SRT in a manual, I would probably have two, but some of us buy our cars to drive and enjoy and without a 3rd pedal, I don't care if it has 1000 hp. I have my savings in CDs, bonds, mutual funds, etc. Call me crazy but I think those are a little better of an investment than a car that might go up in value

 

There are plenty of things out there to invest your money in that are sure to go up in value. Much smaller things that you can throw in a safe an require very little service throughout the years. In my opinion cars are the worst investment you can make when it comes to a return. The cost of maintenence over the years can be expensive.

I hope my crossfire does go up in value. But I still wouldn't sell it. I will enjoy driving it 20 years from now.

 

just isn't any interest in this Chrysler product, and never will be...watch B/J sell a Hemi Cuda, or any muscle car....and you will see the prices are coming down...I was a camaro nut....I had a '69 Z in 1970 when I started driving...and would love to have it back, but even they have fallen off in value....don't think this car has anything special to add to it being a collector....after all,, it is made up of parts that were lying around....a collection of inventory that made a car.....nope, not going to happen...I did that with a Heretage Pkg, '92 Z-28, and it barely got book out of it...

 

i just have a little suggestion for you non-believers here. go out and buy an issue of sports car market magazine. maybe you'll actually learn something of value. many people like myself who collect special interest cars have something called discretionary income. this website has a few. for us, warranties, ps2's, maintenance, etc. are pocket change. i'm diversified just like everyone else. only, i can afford to buy two srt-6's and keep them in proper storage and drive them when i want. wayne carini knows what i'm talking about. maybe some of you could learn something from him, too. that's why i don't post here much. i love my cars. i think they're the deal of the past 10 years. but, they're just a deal to me that i will make money on later. and yes, this website is a great resource. keep up the good work!

 

Prices are dropping due to the economy. Now is the time to buy.

I bet you sold that 69 Z thinking it would never be worth anything. Yet now you wish you had it back. You say the crossfire will never be worth anything. Could you be wrong again????

 

I can't tell from his terrible grammar, but is he bragging about disposable income?

 

no, apochryphal jesus. i'm talking about cars.

 

Disposable income to buy cars. That's what it seemed like. Again, I could barely make sense of what you were actually saying though.

 

You can take your haughty, self-righteous attitude and go to another forum. This place is a great source of information, but it is because of guys like Doc and I that work on these things and figure things out for guys like you to mooch from, then turn around and tell us we are ignorant about cars and don't have as much money as you. I am sorry I am a lowly information technology professional and I don't make much money , I wish I had a big wig job like being a 1st grade teacher LOL. Then I would be rich too.

Maybe you should start posting even less if these are the types of posts you are going to make.

 

If anyone has a Crossfire totalled by their insurance, I suggest buying it back, if possable.

 

He's a first grade teacher? Wow, from the grammer, no wonder California kids are having issues with grammer now.

Disposalbe income? First grade teacher? Doesn't compute in most peoples minds. I guess they must have an incredible salary for teachers in CA --- enough to afford 30 cars and not worry about the insurance, warranties and other financial normalities that most people do. I guess first grader gifts to their teachers have moved to an entirely new level.

I believe his point would have been received and welcomed, and likely added to the discussion, if he had refrained from incorporating his personal info.

 

Now wait a second.... I am not his fan here. But 1st grade teachers can do well for themselves. He may not be rich but he could have his future investments and still have a few dollars left over to buy cars as a hobby. It is not about how much your paycheck is. There are other factors involved in gaining wealth.

 

my wife and i do very well. grad school will do that for you. i wish everyone the best here, especially those who took the time and effort to post .pdf's and fixes. take care!

 

Some people don't understand... it doesn't take much to "do well". Just have to work hard, be smart and make the right decisions. While some people prefer the quick satisfaction of spending... others are able to control their debt and live debt free with plenty of cash in their wallets. Nothing wrong with that! Doesn't mean you are a bad guy. It isn't how much you make each month.... it is how smart you are with your money that really matters. I know people that make 10 times more money then I do and they are broke.

You were just trying to make a point... that the SRT would be more valuable than the normal crossfire. Specialty vehicles like the SRT usually do and that was your point. Somehow it turned into a pissing contest. But I understand your original point...