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Old May 9, 2013 | 06:08 PM
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Crossfire tech recommends royal purple 75w-140 full synthetic. That's what I'm using...no issues. Also put it in my C230 coupe.
 
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Old May 9, 2013 | 07:26 PM
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How often should we change the rear fluid? and I forget how much we need 1.2qt?
 
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Old May 12, 2013 | 03:28 PM
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You will probably get many opinions on how often to change the diff fluid. Mine was pretty dirty at 20,000 miles. I will most likely do it again at 40,000 miles just to see what it looks like. Some may think this is overkill, but I would rather spend $20 for oil than the cost of a rear end.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 07:48 AM
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The owner's manual says to use 75W85 synthetic axle lubricant that meets MB 231.1 But my intention is to learn, not 'correct.' Why is 75W140 being recommended???
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 01:25 PM
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75W140? Yea, where did THAT come from?

I have used Mobile 1 75W90 in both Crossfires and that's what we've used at the North GA tech days for years. Less than two quarts does it.

 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
75W140? Yea, where did THAT come from?

I have used Mobile 1 75W90 in both Crossfires and that's what we've used at the North GA tech days for years. Less than two quarts does it.
Thanks. 75W140 came from multiple posts IN THIS THREAD. I just figured I'd change it since 17 years have gone by.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
75W140? Yea, where did THAT come from?
Most specifically:

Originally Posted by 04Fire
I changed my rear diff oil first at 47,000 miles with mobile 1 75-140 (it was burnt!). I just changed it for a second time at 67,000 miles with royal purple 75-140 (not as burnt as the first time)... the royal purple seems to have toned down the rear end "whine" these diffs are known for.
Is there any truth to that you suppose??? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
75W140? Yea, where did THAT come from?

I have used Mobile 1 75W90 in both Crossfires and that's what we've used at the North GA tech days for years. Less than two quarts does it.
I'm going to use these links since they are all products in stock at the auto parts store just down the road! 😉😄👍

You're specifically recommending the product in this link, correct? https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...1-quart/1437_0
Even though this is an LS (limited slip) lubricant? My understanding is that the Crossfire DOES NOT have a limited-slip diff.

Also they have Valvoline SynPower SAE 75W-90 Full Synthetic Gear Oil in a squeezable pouch, which would make the job super-easy. Any thoughts?
https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...art/977482_0_0
You can see a picture of the easy-use container much better in this link: https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...quart/977483_0

What do you use to make putting the diff fluid into the diff a non-cussing affair??? Does someone sell a pump-handle that screws onto the bottle-top? I've just spent too much time on my back with oil running down my arm to not have a 'better plan' formulated in advance!
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WD40
I'm going to use these links since they are all products in stock at the auto parts store just down the road! 😉😄👍

You're specifically recommending the product in this link, correct? https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...1-quart/1437_0
Even though this is an LS (limited slip) lubricant? My understanding is that the Crossfire DOES NOT have a limited-slip diff.

Also they have Valvoline SynPower SAE 75W-90 Full Synthetic Gear Oil in a squeezable pouch, which would make the job super-easy. Any thoughts?
https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...art/977482_0_0
You can see a picture of the easy-use container much better in this link: https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...quart/977483_0

What do you use to make putting the diff fluid into the diff a non-cussing affair??? Does someone sell a pump-handle that screws onto the bottle-top? I've just spent too much time on my back with oil running down my arm to not have a 'better plan' formulated in advance!
You can buy a large syringe especially for jobs like this or you could sneak into the kitchen and borrow the turkey baster.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 05:19 PM
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We did mine at a Tech day in North GA. I worked on sticky keys and sound systems while Zach and Nick did my fluids.
I can't tell you what they used, it's been four years already.

Shown is Nick putting my HAWK HPS brake pads on the front, while others watch and offer beer.
I was working on a sticky key at the time....


 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
We did mine at a Tech day in North GA. I worked on sticky keys and sound systems while Zach and Nick did my fluids.
I can't tell you what they used, it's been four years already.

Shown is Nick putting my HAWK HPS brake pads on the front, while others watch and offer beer.
I was working on a sticky key at the time....

From your picture is has to be this:
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...ube-ls-75w-90/
Simple as that.

There are two products which specifically state "quiet" or "quieter" (operation). That may just be slick marketing but either way they know what I want. Those 2 products are:
Royal Purple Max Gear 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Oil https://royalpurpledirect.com/max-ge...etic-gear-oil/
and...
Liqui Moly 22090 (Made in Germany) https://products.liqui-moly.us/fully...-75w-90-1.html

I am forgetting about all the 75W-140 oils unless someone wants to step forward in their defense. Does anyone want to speak to Liqui Moly or Royal Purple? It just occurred to me to change the diff oil whilst I've the rear raised-up renewing the fuel filter & hoses.

For 25+ years I had a cheap electric (car battery clamps) liquid transfer pump that I got from JC Whitney before the internet even existed. To clean it was futile and so it lived an oily but well-lubricated life always put back inside a plastic shopping bag. When I moved from FL to AL in 2014 it was one of the things I left up in the attic (I had pull-down stairs from the attic into my garage in that house). That pump was probably like a $5.99 special, and it sure as Hell paid for itself!!
 
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 07:16 PM
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Liquid Moly and Royal Purple both have strong followings here. I'm a Mobile 1 guy myself but MANY here support LM and RP.
I dont' think there is a lot of difference, buy what you believe in. NONE of these will harm the car and ANY new lubricant is better than the stuff that's in there, after all these years.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2022 | 05:33 AM
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I've narrowed my selection to this list, sorted from most expensive to least. They are all available locally at either NAPA or AUTOZONE, and both have free shipping over $35 (in case a store isn't close to you).
All of these can be used in either limited slip (locking) differentials or not, except for the $19.29 LIQUI MOLY, which is for open diffs (like we have) only. That means except for LM22090 they all have special additives for locking diffs added.
Right now I'm leaning towards LM22090 because it's "specialized", if you will, for open differentials. I'll get under the car in the next few days and get a feeling for how much room I have to maneuver a liter bottle of fluid to the fill-hole. If it's super-tight then I can be convinced that going with a squeezable pouch might be in order. And yes, I watched the funny ad in the post above! I would have been convinced to contact my local "Amsoil is my side-thing" 'dude', but Valvoline (also in a squeezable pouch) scored number 2 (was the runner-up to Amsoil) in the Amsoil "face-off". Like one poster commented, "At half the price you might have just sold a lot of Valvoline!"

$21.49 https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...art/854795_0_0
$19.29 https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/AICLM22090 GL4/5 (NOT for locking diffs)
$18.99 https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/AICLM2048 GL5 (multipurpose gear oil)
$13.99 https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...art/977482_0_0 (squeezable pouch)
$13.19 https://www.autozone.com/greases-and...1-quart/1437_0
 
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Old Jan 20, 2022 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
We did mine at a Tech day in North GA. I worked on sticky keys and sound systems while Zach and Nick did my fluids.
I can't tell you what they used, it's been four years already.

Shown is Nick putting my HAWK HPS brake pads on the front, while others watch and offer beer.
I was working on a sticky key at the time....

and your cure for sticky key ?
Thanks in advance
Rich Barry
 
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Old Jan 21, 2022 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by richb55
and your cure for sticky key ?
Thanks in advance
Rich Barry
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...ru-2006-a.html
 
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Old Jan 21, 2022 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
You can buy a large syringe especially for jobs like this or you could sneak into the kitchen and borrow the turkey baster.
I've "borrowed" the turkey baster so many times it now resides in the tool shed... Wife didn't like what it smelled like the last time I washed it out and returned it. Gear lube STINKS.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2022 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Deepsea21
I've "borrowed" the turkey baster so many times it now resides in the tool shed... Wife didn't like what it smelled like the last time I washed it out and returned it. Gear lube STINKS.

Wow
this message has a lot to unpackage

 
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Old Jan 22, 2022 | 09:49 AM
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from page 245 of manual, synthetic SAE 75W85 that meets MB 231.1
 
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Old Jan 22, 2022 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
from page 245 of manual, synthetic SAE 75W85 that meets MB 231.1
That's a truncated quote. The full text in the manual says:

Use synthetic SAE 75W-85 axle lubricant that meets MB 231.1, such as Mopar 05136035AA. An SAE 80W-90
GL-5/MIL-2105-E Synthetic Axle Lubricant may be substituted.

 
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Old Jan 22, 2022 | 10:52 AM
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FCP Euro sells ONLY THESE TWO fluids for a 2004 SLK320 diff, so I'm pretty comfortable using them.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/Mercedes~Ben...b=10&d=1007&v=

Liqui Moly LM22090 - 75W90 Fully Synthetic Hypoid Gear Oil

Red Line 57904 - 75W90 GL-5 Gear Oil

And all of the other gear oils I've listed above are no different in specification to the Red Line fluid sold by FCP Euro (I.E., all synthetic 75W90 GL-5 hypoid gear oil containing LSD friction modifiers).
 
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