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Old May 21, 2012 | 12:22 PM
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Gents,
Xfire Coupe UK......
What Oil is recomended for the rear axle, and is there anything that any one recomends instead or cheaper ?
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Old May 21, 2012 | 02:51 PM
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I've had great luck with the AMOIL Severe Gear 75w-90. I guess it works well because I've drag raced over 500 times and still have the original rear end.
 

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Old May 21, 2012 | 08:46 PM
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Well I am going out on a limb here and guessing AMOIL ATF is auto trans oil. Probably designed for use in...you guessed it Automatic transmissions. Personally I would probably gargle with it before I put it in my rear end but I don't race. Use a gear oil. Synthetic.
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Kinda wondered about Royal Purple myself.. on the shelf at Autozone...
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantB
Gents,
Xfire Coupe UK......
What Oil is recomended for the rear axle, and is there anything that any one recomends instead or cheaper ?
Regards
Grant B
Owners Manual says.
SAE Synthetic 75W-140
API GL-5


ATF is a bit thin if you ask me. I think the need is for an oil that can withstand high pressure between mating faces.
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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2005 Chrysler Crossfire Mercedes Gear Oil, Hypoid SAE 85W-90, Spec 235.7 001 989 17 03 10

The following material data sheet is interesting as in the beginning it refers to BP which I assume is British Petrolium and at the end of the sheet it states that it is a
Mobile document.

http://images.imcparts.net/shared/do...1989170310.pdf
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:18 PM
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500 passes says a lot.
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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500 passes says a lot.
Yep.. tells me less than two hours run time and cool downs in between.. unless this is a daily driver too..
 
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Old May 21, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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500 passes is 125 miles wot. Not many cars that can do that without at least one rebuild.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 04:16 AM
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Owners Manual says.
SAE Synthetic 75W-140
API GL-5

ATF is a bit thin if you ask me. I think the need is for an oil that can withstand high pressure between mating faces.

Re above, 75w - 140 is quite a high pressure oil, but wondering why it's thin ???

I understand the diffs on these XCF's are a limited slip diff.... if so, do they need a thinner oil to operate ?

most vehicles have a diff oil of EP 75 > 90...., so this one rated at 140 at high temp is good, but im wondering why it is so watery ???

I've used alternative oils to manufactureres recomended before and come a cropper & destroyed axles and gearboxes thinking I knew better .....

But I'm wondering at the logic of this ATF fluid in a rear axle . . . . unless it needs a thin oils for the diff lock to work ???

saying that, My landrover descovery uses a special ATF fluid in its main transmission manual box.....
But anything else simply was too thick and you couldnt change gear and the synchro simply would not allow u to change gear let alone put it in gear, and other oils would destroy a box in 5,000 miles totally.

Penny for your thoughts ??

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Grant B
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 05:56 AM
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Nascar uses thinner oils for qualifying than racing.. Less resistance to rotating mass = more speed.. closest I can figure..
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Default Re: XF Coupe - Rear Diff Oil ?

Originally Posted by GrantB
Owners Manual says.
SAE Synthetic 75W-140
API GL-5

ATF is a bit thin if you ask me. I think the need is for an oil that can withstand high pressure between mating faces.

Re above, 75w - 140 is quite a high pressure oil, but wondering why it's thin ???

I understand the diffs on these XCF's are a limited slip diff.... if so, do they need a thinner oil to operate ?

most vehicles have a diff oil of EP 75 > 90...., so this one rated at 140 at high temp is good, but im wondering why it is so watery ???

I've used alternative oils to manufactureres recomended before and come a cropper & destroyed axles and gearboxes thinking I knew better .....

But I'm wondering at the logic of this ATF fluid in a rear axle . . . . unless it needs a thin oils for the diff lock to work ???

saying that, My landrover descovery uses a special ATF fluid in its main transmission manual box.....
But anything else simply was too thick and you couldnt change gear and the synchro simply would not allow u to change gear let alone put it in gear, and other oils would destroy a box in 5,000 miles totally.

Penny for your thoughts ??

Regards to all.
Grant B
I think you have misread the above statement, the 75W- 140 is a thick oil and is not an ATF, ATF is quite thin.

The OEM diffs are not limited slip.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by arejohn
Well I am going out on a limb here and guessing AMOIL ATF is auto trans oil. Probably designed for use in...you guessed it Automatic transmissions. Personally I would probably gargle with it before I put it in my rear end but I don't race. Use a gear oil. Synthetic.
Oops my bad. Meant AMSOIL Severe Gear SAE 75W-90 Synthetic oil. The ATF is what I use in the tranny. Sorry about that. And my car is an everyday driver.
 

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Old May 22, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mimi05SRT6
Oops my bad. Meant AMSOIL Sever Gear SAE 75W-90 Synthetic oil. The ATF is what I use in the tranny. Sorry about that. And my car is an everyday driver.
I have 2 sets of perfectly good spider gears if you ever need them...lol....
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 11:11 PM
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I changed my rear diff oil first at 47,000 miles with mobile 1 75-140 (it was burnt!). I just changed it for a second time at 67,000 miles with royal purple 75-140 (not as burnt as the first time)... the royal purple seems to have toned down the rear end "whine" these diffs are known for.
 
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Old May 22, 2012 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 04Fire
I changed my rear diff oil first at 47,000 miles with mobile 1 75-140 (it was burnt!). I just changed it for a second time at 67,000 miles with royal purple 75-140 (not as burnt as the first time)... the royal purple seems to have toned down the rear end "whine" these diffs are known for.
Cool deal!.. mine has the light "whine" so guess I'll be visiting Autozone for the Royal treatment..
 
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Old May 23, 2012 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
I have 2 sets of perfectly good spider gears if you ever need them...lol....
Great to know Doc...Thanks!
 
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Old May 28, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata
Cool deal!.. mine has the light "whine" so guess I'll be visiting Autozone for the Royal treatment..
Hmmm? - I'm glad I stopped in on this thread. Last tuesday I was on I10 west cruisin between 70 and 90 without the radio on and everytime I accelerated I noticed a sound from the rear-end, but I could not distiguish it from a whinning gear or the exhaust note. My Crossfire has 55k+ miles and I put 4k of those miles on since I bought it last September. I do not know the condition of the oil, but I guess I should check...thanks guys for the posts - always grateful for the Forum
 
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
I think you have misread the above statement, the 75W- 140 is a thick oil and is not an ATF, ATF is quite thin.

The OEM diffs are not limited slip.
So no Additional friction modifier is required is that correct?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 06:12 PM
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My owner's manual calls for 75w-85, so, like Mimi, I've used Amsoil 75w-90. Did I miss the memo on 75w-140 for the diff in my '07 NA?
 

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