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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:22 AM
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when you need to replace the Hatch Lift Support, what do you use?
i ask because i couldnt find the right 1 for sure.
there are ads that show some, but dont tell for sure the length.
if any1 has been in the need for them and got them, please tell exactly which are the right 1s.
i found this:
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it tells that it is exactly for the hatch of the crossfire, but if you check the dimensions at the bottom, you will see that it is way too long.
(i think this is for the hood) hence my confusion.
 

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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 08:28 AM
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Old Oct 11, 2020 | 09:08 AM
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this is it. thanks
 
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 12:16 PM
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Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts"><span style=Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts" /> Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts">Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts


I just installed these earlier this week. Connection on cylinder end was "cocked" a little (compared to OEM version), but cylinder installed & worked fine.
 

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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 08:56 PM
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Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts

I just installed these earlier this week. Connection on cylinder end was "cocked" a little (compared to OEM version), but cylinder installed & worked fine.
The OEM struts are made by Stabilus/Sachs, here is the aftermarket version. https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...422548&jsn=431 The only issue with all the aftermarket lift supports is they don't have a dampening effect when the hatch is lifted like the originals so the hatch will shake a lot when opened if you do not guide it.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 10:44 PM
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While at a junkyard a couple days ago, I pulled a pair of gas struts from an M Class Mercedes. Not sure if they will work on my son's Crossfire Coupe trunk lid. My son lives 7 hours away. The cylinder part is 13 inches long and the extended length is 25 inches. They are oem and really hard to compress. The M Class rear hatch was really heavy and these held it up no problem. So will they work and what length should they be?
 
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Old Oct 12, 2020 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronman
The OEM struts are made by Stabilus/Sachs, here is the aftermarket version. https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...422548&jsn=431 The only issue with all the aftermarket lift supports is they don't have a dampening effect when the hatch is lifted like the originals so the hatch will shake a lot when opened if you do not guide it.
This makes no sense to me, can you explain what you mean?
What you are saying is that you cannot buy parts like the OEM parts, this must be wrong.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 12:19 AM
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This makes no sense to me, can you explain what you mean?
What you are saying is that you cannot buy parts like the OEM parts, this must be wrong.
I meant the lift supports that originally came with the car slow down at the end and so the hatch opens slowly. All the aftermarket versions do not do that and the hatch opens up fast and shakes. Stabilus/Sachs made the original lift supports and they have an aftermarket version but it does not dampen or slow at the end when it fully extends. That is the best way I can explain.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronman
I meant the lift supports that originally came with the car slow down at the end and so the hatch opens slowly. All the aftermarket versions do not do that and the hatch opens up fast and shakes. Stabilus/Sachs made the original lift supports and they have an aftermarket version but it does not dampen or slow at the end when it fully extends. That is the best way I can explain.
The OEM parts were off the shelf items possibly with specific printing on them as dictated by the buyer.
They certainly were not made specifically for the Crossfire, stock parts are used to keep prices down and profits up, auto makers are ferocious in their contract demands.
The part may fit but the strength of it may be wrong, you can buy different strengths with the same dimension.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronman
I meant the lift supports that originally came with the car slow down at the end and so the hatch opens slowly. All the aftermarket versions do not do that and the hatch opens up fast and shakes. Stabilus/Sachs made the original lift supports and they have an aftermarket version but it does not dampen or slow at the end when it fully extends. That is the best way I can explain.
This wasn't the case in the BOXI struts I bought. The hatch opening speed is dampened as it approaches full open position. No hatch shaking and/or shuddering - not yet, anyway. I agree with onehundred80's comment earlier. I seriously doubt the OEM hatch struts for the Crossfire were specifically designed for the Crossfire. Most likely, Chrysler requested quotes from various suppliers (based on allowable geometry for the strut mounting) and, once the contract was issued, Chrysler required their specific model numbers & labelling on the standard struts supplied. All they had to know was where to locate the ball mounting pins.


 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
The OEM parts were off the shelf items possibly with specific printing on them as dictated by the buyer.
They certainly were not made specifically for the Crossfire, stock parts are used to keep prices down and profits up, auto makers are ferocious in their contract demands.
The part may fit but the strength of it may be wrong, you can buy different strengths with the same dimension.
Lots of parts for the Crossfire were specifically designed for it just because you got lucky with the turn signal socket doesn't mean that applies to every part. As you are aware a lot of the other parts were from other Mercedes cars which makes things easier since most of the 193 parts are NLA/discontinued.

The Sachs aftermarket lift supports have the exact same pressure, length etc stamped on them like the factory ones but they do not dampen at the end. I was wrong, I forgot the Monroe lift supports dampen at the end and now I learned the Boxi ones dampen also.

The aftermarket Sachs, Strongarm 6189, etc they really do shake the hatch when lifted.

This is not like a Bosch crankshaft position sensor where the aftermarket is identical except there is no Mercedes stamp/part number on it.

A few years back I tried universal lift supports before there were any aftermarket ones and they either were not the correct length, way too strong or not strong enough. The odds are low that another car would require similar length and would just happen to weigh as much as the Crossfire hatch and need the same exact pressure to lift it.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronman
Lots of parts for the Crossfire were specifically designed for it just because you got lucky with the turn signal socket doesn't mean that applies to every part. As you are aware a lot of the other parts were from other Mercedes cars which makes things easier since most of the 193 parts are NLA/discontinued.

The Sachs aftermarket lift supports have the exact same pressure, length etc stamped on them like the factory ones but they do not dampen at the end. I was wrong, I forgot the Monroe lift supports dampen at the end and now I learned the Boxi ones dampen also.

The aftermarket Sachs, Strongarm 6189, etc they really do shake the hatch when lifted.

This is not like a Bosch crankshaft position sensor where the aftermarket is identical except there is no Mercedes stamp/part number on it.

A few years back I tried universal lift supports before there were any aftermarket ones and they either were not the correct length, way too strong or not strong enough. The odds are low that another car would require similar length and would just happen to weigh as much as the Crossfire hatch and need the same exact pressure to lift it.
Lucky to get the turn signal part? It was pretty easy to track it down as it had the makers name and part number on it.
The hatch struts do not have a Mercedes number on them that I can see. Parts made specifically for the Crossfire have the Mercedes numbering system on them starting with the number 193.
Many parts on the Crossfire do not carry that number and are or were shelf items. It gets expensive to use too many custom parts on an auto so shelf items are a way to reduce production costs.
What is the difference between a universal part and an after market one, can you explain?
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 08:09 PM
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Lucky to get the turn signal part? It was pretty easy to track it down as it had the makers name and part number on it.
The hatch struts do not have a Mercedes number on them that I can see. Parts made specifically for the Crossfire have the Mercedes numbering system on them starting with the number 193.
Many parts on the Crossfire do not carry that number and are or were shelf items. It gets expensive to use too many custom parts on an auto so shelf items are a way to reduce production costs.
What is the difference between a universal part and an after market one, can you explain?
Of course I know parts made for the Crossfire start with 193 but that is the dual id (as are actual Mercedes parts) of the Chrysler part number.

The hatch lift supports have the part number 1938600064 on them so they are Crossfire specific.

We can argue until the end of time about the difference between OE, OEM, OES, aftermarket, universal etc. I don't have that kind of patience, I suggest you find a Wikipedia article to read. Lol
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 09:22 PM
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We can argue until the end of time about the difference between OE, OEM, OES, aftermarket, universal etc. I don't have that kind of patience, I suggest you find a Wikipedia article to read. Lol
You raised the issue, and I just wondered what you meant that’s all.
I could not see the number on the strut, sorry I missed it.
I think you are just being awkward, if so you can FO and not bother me again.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 10:01 PM
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You raised the issue, and I just wondered what you meant that’s all.
I could not see the number on the strut, sorry I missed it.
I think you are just being awkward, if so you can FO and not bother me again.
You just wanted to pick a fight and act as if you are an expert in auto manufacturing. I was just trying to contribute to the conversation and help since I had bad experiences with other lift supports.

I think you are being a jerk and I can add to the list another Canadian I don't like. You are just a weirdo grumpy old man and I totally see why Graphite Ghost is so done with you.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2020 | 11:01 PM
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You just wanted to pick a fight and act as if you are an expert in auto manufacturing. I was just trying to contribute to the conversation and help since I had bad experiences with other lift supports.

I think you are being a jerk and I can add to the list another Canadian I don't like. You are just a weirdo grumpy old man and I totally see why Graphite Ghost is so done with you.
So you have a list of Canadians you do not like, sounds racist to me, all colours?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2020 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dedwards0323
Crossfire Coupe Hatch Struts

I just installed these earlier this week. Connection on cylinder end was "cocked" a little (compared to OEM version), but cylinder installed & worked fine.
notice that the ad says:

BOXI 2 Pcs Trunk Lift Supports Struts Shocks Dampers For Chrysler Crossfire 2004-2008 Trunk Exc Convertible, Roadster & SRT-6 (with Spoiler) 6189, 5140762AA

that "Exc" means "except". meaning, is only for coupe. wonderful, isnt it? otherwise, the price is the lowest i think.
wonders of advertising.
 

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Old Oct 14, 2020 | 09:26 AM
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I've used the StrongArm lift support cylinder in the past on other cars. Always a quality product and gave good service.
Crossfire Strut"><span style=Crossfire Strut" /> Crossfire Strut">Crossfire Strut
is a little pricey at $26+ per strut.

Just another source for these hatch supports.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2020 | 11:06 AM
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no objection on the link. just a warning on how the ad is written. some may get the impression that is good for all that.
 

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Old Oct 15, 2020 | 03:31 PM
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So you have a list of Canadians you do not like, sounds racist to me, all colours?
Not racist at all just 2 on the list, you and your neighbor that loves Wikipedia.
 
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