Who's "we"? No offense, but do you have a turd in your pocket? It's too bad that you don't seem too pleased with the Crossfire these days. Aside from you, who bought this car to race in SCCA events? Who cares what the SCCA thinks? Let's see a show of hands. Who here bought the car to race, and who here cares what the SCCA thinks? Aside from HDDP of course.

 

Atrius is correct in assuming that there aren't a lot of people interested in doing SCCA racing themselves. However a lot of us are interested in what HDDP does. Sorta living vicariously. HDDP has been a lot of help on this site to a lot of people. Plus there are a lot of people that wish the car had 50 more HP, myself included. Unfortunately it is not worth 10k and a lot of work and voiding the warranty.

 

...so, did you just show up on this forum to put people down, **** people off, and basically be a cynic? I happen to like the GTO, that's my prerogative. I explained that the non-descript looks were part of the appeal for me. HDDP happens to really enjoy racing and also owns a Crossfire, and that's his deal. Personally, I have not raced my Crossfire, but would like to, and I closely watch the forum to learn all of the pitfalls and successes in campaigning this car. And I doubt I am the only one.

You haven't even been here for 25 posts yet, and you are already getting added to my ignore list. You are a Jackas*, my man. How's that?

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion... I just get pissed-off with this car sometimes, especially when you start seeing these posts of DC corporate and Chrysler dealers screwing-up parts and repairs... And basically treating owners like crap...

I don't even pay attention to the new posters unless they are asking for legit help !!!

I still subscribe to the old theory of "race on sunday, sell on monday"... I could have sold 100 of these things in the past year if it had another 50 hp and I wasn't getting my A$$ handed to me by WRX's and EVO's on the track...

 

The only reason this post had any play is that so many people on here are starving for a topic to post about. The cars work good and there isn't an aftermarket so it tends to get boring, you want drama buy a 6.0 powerstroke and join the dieselstop.com. The bottom line on this subject is this, If you have to ask why this isn't the car for you. If you have to know yes the key is a sidewinder, why that would make a difference blows my mind? Take a break on the educated buyer thing.

 

BS pseudo sportscar???

If I'm not mistaken, as I can't put my fingers on the articles right now but, if memory serves me correctly... the Crossfire was never touted as a sports car or a GT when it was introduced. All the stuff I read, classified it as a "sporty touring car".

As for being a girly car, that's in the eye of the beholder. For most of us here, the car is what it is. You on the other hand, being an avid armature racer have a different idea of what the car should be. Of all the cars out there, if I may be so bold to ask... why did you buy it and then turn around start making a racer out of it when you must have known of it's MB SLK 320 heritage and the serious lack of tuner parts?

From what I've read here, you are the most extreme on this forum that is serious on rebuilding your Crossfire and trying to make a true race car. And, that is not a bad thing if that's what you want to do with your car. I even remember a post awhile back where you really got down on folks because of them wanting to squeeze more HP but lacked interest in getting on the race track with you or any other track for that matter.

Anyway, the Crossfire is many things to many people and I have mine to enjoy as you have yours. The Crossfire being labeled a sporty cruiser, a GT, a race car, or even a girly car does not play into how I look at it. Good luck with your car and yes, I look forward to reading and watching the clips of your racing adventures. Heck, if I could afford it, maybe I'd be out there with you.

Oh, I just noticed... you're a moderator here now. Congrats. Does that mean you have been in touch with the site owner, has the ownership changed hands?

 

Most of my friends don't know a thing about cars or do they care.
This makes the honda a good choice.
Ok resale, dependable, good value, and it looks like everyone else's, which is what they want.
Most of them don't even know what an oil change really is...lol
One of my buddies took his car to the dealer because the windshield washers didn't work.
Duh He had no idea how to put fluid in it. lol
Yes they should drive hondas.
Just my opinion. Like it or not.

 

That's cool. I was just teasing.

 

I know you were kidding. I like cars, build them for a living in fact.
It can wind up becoming an extension of yourself.
My point was some times you just know what car you fall in lust with.
Others could care less.
Those others are not crossfire owners.
Thank goodness. lol

 

It's fair to say you have a lot of friends that don't share the same interests, then? Well, at least you have us...

 

Now you see why I hang out here...lol
The guys at work want to talk about mopars from the late 60's and early 70's.
Which I still love the cars but I do them everyday...
My friends want to talk about computers and, well computers...

 

I just bought mine used with 20K miles on it. I love it everytime I hop in it. True the 1st gear in the 6 speed could be a little longer but I think the power range between 3 and 4.5 thousand rpm is great. Used is the way to go on this car. I found lots of them with very low mileage for a steal price. Handling is excellent in this car!

 

Kyle, that's a really low production #, I'm glad you're enjoying it so much. Recently on ebay, a red '04, 6 spd. with 3k miles sold for $22,500, which was pretty strong money for a used one. Care to disclose what you got yours for?

 

I was going to get a '05 Mustang, then I drove my Xfire and fell in love with it. The way it handles and the styling sold me.
Yes I got a good buy on it too.
Yes I like the looks I get when I am out with it.
And best of all it tells the world who I am. (A crazy old guy .)

 

I found that you can get them with between 10k and 20k miles for around $19,000. I was very fortunate to be the observer of a dealer mistake on their website. I picked mine up at a five star dealer in Hemet CA. They had recently hired a guy to look over the used inventory. Apparently he changed the price on 40 vehicles with out getting it cleared. I happen to look at their website the same morning and called the fleet manager to discuss my arrival time. Needless to say he was not happy about what had happened but they had to honor the price. I went down to look at a charcoal one but I felt that the lines of the car and the grill did not stand out enough. Everything kind of blended together. Plus it had a few nicks in the paint. It was listed at $18,995 (mistake price). They also had a White one with chromed factory rims. Instantly fell in love and picked it up for $19,995 (mistake price). If you can, pick one of these up at a dealer especially a five star dealer because they have to do a pretty thorough inspection if selling used. I kept checking autotrader.com because you can do an advanced search and most dealers list on autotrader. My dad owns an NSX with a list of aftermarket mods and was very impressed with the crossfire's ability. My girlfriend's dad has an M3 CSL and he too was very impressed with the crossfire. His only complaint was the low redline at 6,000. Rubber is going to cost you a pretty penny if you plan to stay with the michelin pilots. But I don't care because the car handles amazingly!

 

I also live in Southern CA so the prices might be a little inflated here. Not sure, because I only checked prices within 100 miles Ventura County.

 

Kyle, thanks for the quick comeback. I've got a white '04 6 spd. with cedar interior, and I too really enjoy the car in white. The dealer I bought mine brand new from accidentally sold another brand new one just 3 weeks before I got mine for $19,500. That's why I paid very close attention to their auctions. I had to pay a little more but I've had mine for nearly a year now and I still see brand new "left overs" going for more than I paid for mine, so needless to say I'm still very happy with the deal I got.
I really like the NSX, and I hope I can "snag" one of those someday also.

 

How do you accidentally sell a car. These dealers aren't stupid. They may be dic*s, but they will never lose any of their precious dollars. Good for you, but I would like to know more details on the circumstances. Is it because they advertised at that price and must be held accountable for it? What about if it was a misprint. That happens sometimes.

 

Well, the car had been listed for $22,995. I had been watching it for a week or two and then that one day it was listed for $19,995. I called and the fleet manager and he said I had the price wrong. I told him to check his website and he had no idea. Needless to say, I checked the website 10 minutes after we got off the phone and the price had been readjusted to $22,995. They tried to get me to buy the charcoal one because at the mistake listed price they would have made a measly $100. The white one they lost $2,000 he showed me the paper work that had what they paid the man on the trade in. I think they can get nailed for false advertising. Not sure though. Either way I am very pleased with the price I got and the car is fantastic.

 

Knowit, I was very skeptical too when it happened, but I was watching the car that they sold for $19,500 on ebay because it had a cedar interior, but I really didn't want a black one. Anyway, I missed it when it sold, but when I checked back and saw that they sold it for such a low price I couldn't believe it either. Well, flash forward 4 weeks later, and I'm sitting in their show room in Paducah Kentucky picking up my ebay purchase, and I ask the guy that's doing all my paper work, "Did you guys really sell that black one for $19,500, or was that just a bogus auction?" He said, "No we really had to sell it for that price, because it didn't sell the first time we listed it on ebay, and we forgot to put a "reserve" on it when we relisted it." We didn't notice until it was to late to pull it. I thought to myself, Wow! if this dealer has that much integrity not to simply tell the ebay auction winner, "Hey we made a mistake and we can't sell you the car." and risk getting a bad feedback. Then they must be a pretty "Honest" dealer. I just wish it wasn't 9 hours away from where I live.
If anybody lives anywhere near their location, I don't know how good their service dept. is, but I was very impressed with their honesty. As I've mentioned many times before, it was the easiest new car buying experience I've had. PARK AVENUE INC...3345 Park Av. ...Paducah Kentucky...42001.

When I got back to Ohio, and I went to the title bureau to put it in my name, they didn't believe I got such a fantastic deal on it and wanted to charge me sales tax on the full MSRP, or "sticker" price. I even had the cancelled certified check that I used to pay for it and they still didn't believe me. It wasn't until the dealer faxed them a copy of my sales order, (clearly stating that I did indeed pay what I was telling them) would they accept my sales tax payment. They originally wanted a $1,000 more, and I certainly wasn't going to pay it.