"Raced" an M5 last night
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by Mike-in-Orange
OK, 4.1 vs 4.8 0-60 = 7/10ths, sorry (Car and Driver put the SRT6 at 5.1, hence my numbers). But the 1/4 mile is a full 9/10ths slower in the SRT6 (13.3 vs 12.4 for the M5) and it gets worse from there:
0-100: SRT6 - 12.4, M5 - 9.5
0-120: SRT6 - 19.0, M5 - 13.3
SRT6 info from http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...t-6-page4.html
M5/M6 info from http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
Apparently the M5 with the full manual gearbox is noticeably slower than the SMG variant, showing 0-60 and 1/4 mile on par with the SRT6.
0-100: SRT6 - 12.4, M5 - 9.5
0-120: SRT6 - 19.0, M5 - 13.3
SRT6 info from http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...t-6-page4.html
M5/M6 info from http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
Apparently the M5 with the full manual gearbox is noticeably slower than the SMG variant, showing 0-60 and 1/4 mile on par with the SRT6.
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by cgocifer
More like 4 times as much as your car with current prices! Those M5s are nearly 90 grand. I'd rather buy an SRT6 and a Z06 for the price of one M5.
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by NeverEnough
Well, not to start a war, but I'm referencing verified times that have been recorded by members of this site. 4.7-4.8 0-60 and 12.9-13.0 1/4. I realize that those are best case numbers, but they are possible. I still don't think it's unreasonable to believe that a modded SRT would be able to beat a V10 M5.
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
The focus in this discussion is solely on 0-60 times. That is all nice and dandy. But far more important is handling and that is an area where the BMW beats the Crossfire hands down. The steering feel and feed back is far better. The old MB designed circulating ball steering box is really outdated!
The Crossfire looks unique! And I like it!
HJM
Crossfire SRT
P 911 cab
etc. x 8
The Crossfire looks unique! And I like it!
HJM
Crossfire SRT
P 911 cab
etc. x 8
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by cgocifer
Yep!! Better yet, "Oh sorry, I can't drive us tonight, I only have two seats, looks like you've got DD!"
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by Jeep2Xfire
I remember sitting in an M6 @ the Philly auto show in '05 and it had a V-12 in it. I remember needing, not wanting, but needing 130K for this car. What's up with this V-10 stuff?
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by HJM
The focus in this discussion is solely on 0-60 times. That is all nice and dandy. But far more important is handling and that is an area where the BMW beats the Crossfire hands down. The steering feel and feed back is far better. The old MB designed circulating ball steering box is really outdated!
The Crossfire looks unique! And I like it!
HJM
Crossfire SRT
P 911 cab
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The Crossfire looks unique! And I like it!
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Crossfire SRT
P 911 cab
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
I heard a rumor that an M5 DSG was capable of 11's in stock trim with Drag Radials on it. Can anyone verify this?
While on the topic of German Uber Sedans, there is one that hasn't been brought up here yet. The current E63 AMG. That thing is a BEAST! It's got 1.3 liters more displacement and A LOT more torgue than the M5. I've seen one of these run an 11.30 with Drag Radials and few minor upgrades. I WOULD NOT CHALLENGE ONE OF THOSE! I can only imagine what the C63 will be be capable of, eventhough it's slightly de-tuned down to around 460 HP vs. 507 for E63. That thing will be a 4 Door Viper Killer...
While on the topic of German Uber Sedans, there is one that hasn't been brought up here yet. The current E63 AMG. That thing is a BEAST! It's got 1.3 liters more displacement and A LOT more torgue than the M5. I've seen one of these run an 11.30 with Drag Radials and few minor upgrades. I WOULD NOT CHALLENGE ONE OF THOSE! I can only imagine what the C63 will be be capable of, eventhough it's slightly de-tuned down to around 460 HP vs. 507 for E63. That thing will be a 4 Door Viper Killer...
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by NeverEnough
I heard a rumor that an M5 DSG was capable of 11's in stock trim with Drag Radials on it. Can anyone verify this?
While on the topic of German Uber Sedans, there is one that hasn't been brought up here yet. The current E63 AMG. That thing is a BEAST! It's got 1.3 liters more displacement and A LOT more torgue than the M5. I've seen one of these run an 11.30 with Drag Radials and few minor upgrades. I WOULD NOT CHALLENGE ONE OF THOSE! I can only imagine what the C63 will be be capable of, eventhough it's slightly de-tuned down to around 460 HP vs. 507 for E63. That thing will be a 4 Door Viper Killer...
While on the topic of German Uber Sedans, there is one that hasn't been brought up here yet. The current E63 AMG. That thing is a BEAST! It's got 1.3 liters more displacement and A LOT more torgue than the M5. I've seen one of these run an 11.30 with Drag Radials and few minor upgrades. I WOULD NOT CHALLENGE ONE OF THOSE! I can only imagine what the C63 will be be capable of, eventhough it's slightly de-tuned down to around 460 HP vs. 507 for E63. That thing will be a 4 Door Viper Killer...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...car_comparison
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by Haywood
NE - I would just caution trying to compare sedans to 2 seaters. There really is no comparison. A 'Vette to a Viper is always a good discussion. BMW's are still considered by many experts to be the best handling sedans in the world. When you look at 2 seaters, the GT2 and GT3's usually come out on top. I've attached a good comparison with the aforementioned C63 from Motor Trend. Enjoy!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...car_comparison
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...car_comparison
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by NeverEnough
That is all true. I was just attempting to construct a Hypothetical real world situation. I don't disagree with these experts either. BMW has the lock on Sport Sedan Overall performance. The matchup that is unlikely to happen, but I would really like to see is the BMW Z4 MCoupe vs. SRT-6. That would really show where we stand compared to the BMW Performance Brand...
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by NeverEnough
You mis-counted. The M6 in current form has only had the 5.0 Liter V10. The last M6 that was sold in the US was back in the 80's and it had a inline 6. The only BMW currently in production with a V12 is the 760Li.
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Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by Jeep2Xfire
Not picking a fight here at all. I would agree with you in the fact of it being almost 2 years ago, but I could have sworn there were 2 sets of 6 runners but I remember seeing "V12" next to "BMW" on it. Now this could have been some prototype or whatever, no expert on BMWs here, just stating what I saw.
Re: "Raced" an M5 last night
Originally Posted by NeverEnough
I'll have to do some research on that. I follow that stuff pretty close and I can't recall seeing a V12 prototype 6 Series. What show did you see it at?
I remember snapping photos while there, I'll see if I can dig them up.