I am kicking the install idea around so I was wondering if anyone had tried using one and what they thought about the performance increases. Actually uses windshield washer fluid that is no less than a 50/50 methenol ratio.

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I used to have one on my maxed out pinto that I used to buzz to 9000. Anyway the water and some alcohol is added to cool and retard detenation so that you could run crappy fuel or in a push on a hot day get by with high inlet temperatures and very compression numbers like 11 to one.

You can not burn water, it goes to steam and helps retard knock. The water going in on an engine that has o2 sensor and knock sensor sort of loses performance as that displaces oxygen. Its a band-aid for n/a type engines and I could not see any gain that you could get. Alcohol is bad any way as it had less energy, but if you burn enough of it your engine gets really COOL from the evaporation effect.

If it was good it would be in Detroit........Was used as "Full military war emergency power settings" on airplanes that needed to push the blower into a danger zone to keep the plane and pilot from being BINGOed.

Id suggest that the water sprayer would do more to cool the inlet h/e on the crossfire to gain evaporative cooling benefits. But you need to use distilled ( 68 cents per gallon at WalMart ) water to keep from cruding up the fins with deposits ( extra insulation ).

I even tried an electronic water sprayer on a Daytona to MIST the tires on hot autocross runs to control the slick temperatures. It worked but then I found the tires were not getting that hot anyway, oopse engineering a non-problem again, bad Dilbert, bad Dilbert.

Enjoy, Woody

 

If you are interested we are offering wholesale pricing on any of the Alcohol Injection Systems Kits.

Basically, 15% off retail plus shipping and CC fees.

 

I ran a trunk mount alcohol injection systems kit on my last car, it is a very simple install. I tuned the car myself using a wideband and a mafterfurner fuel tuner and my laptop. Very simple and straightforward.

bikecop ran the same kit on his srt6, you can pm him and he should be able to answer your questions.

the only thing I do not like on our cars is that it is not recomended to just tap into your CAI, you need to run a dual nozzle kit and tap into your uppper intake manifolds.

 

It is definitely one of my future mods to help keep the engine cooler during the hot months down here in Florida.

 

You probably know this already, but increasing your boost would be the first step.

 

The secret to big power with alcohol injection is timing advance on the engine. You can safely advance timing with the significantly lower intake temps and higher octane it provides. Without a tune and using alcohol you would see no gains.

 

Ok, sooooo maybe a dumba$$ question, if you tune to use alcohol and then start using straight gasoline with no alky injection then what ? Do you fry the cylinders or what

 

You would run lean but as for how much depends on how much alcohol you are using. If you advanced timing with your tune then you would most likely see detonation and yes you could potentially damage your engine depending on how aggressive your tune is. If you have a very moderate tune then you would most likely be fine. Let me know if you want some good sources on alcohol injection to read up on the subject. It is a lot of fun to tune with and you can make really good power. I have a big case of 80% methanol/20% Nitromethane I had custom mixed sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be used when I decide to install alcohol inj. on the srt6 You see some very nice gains running the nitromethane mix in there!

 

Why is it not recomended to run it through our CAI. I was hoping to use it to cool the SC. Running it through the intake manifolds bypasses the IC! THAT SUCKS! Is it because the SC can't take the moisture?

 

Well that is what alcoholinjectionsystems suggested to me. I am doing some research so do not give up yet. Some superchargers have a teflon coating on the rotor blades and the alcohol can theoretically eat this away. I ran it through my CAI and into my supercharger on my last car with zero issues. I will let you know what I find out, I think there is hope that it will work, I want to run mine through the CAI/throttle body as well.

 

The reason I ask is that a friend runs a methanol injector in his GMC Cyclone, but not always. Coarse he is running a big fat turbo making 18lbs of boost.

 

Some fuel tuners allow you to save and run dual tunes at the flip of a switch. The mafterburner II for example allows you to have a tune for street and a tune for strip (using nitrous or meth or what ever you want). I ran a mafterburner and they are so easy to tune with. He may be running something like that (mafterburner, APEXI, etc)

 

From the research a lot of tuners have done these SC are made to run dry. So the best place to hook up would be the manifolds. The guys over at AIS are extremely knowledgable. After just a 30 min phone call I learned a lot about what meth actually does. I recommend anyone who is thinking about getting a system to contact them and see what they suggest.

 

Exactly.

 

lmao, no supercharger is made to run "wet" on a car.

According to devil's own injection (one of the largest alcohol injection companies) they have informed me that it would be perfectly fine to run it through the CAI. He said only the older superchargers have the coating that is damaged by water/alcohol/nitrous injection. Go to their site and post up on their forum for more information:

http://www.alcohol-injection.com/forum/car-specific/

Devils own in a sponsor on the srt forum.

Here is a fantastic technical site for injection: http://www.waterinjection.info/

 

How would you set your ECU to run with alcohol injection then switch it back to run without alcohol when you don't need it (during cold winter days) without having to get it retuned again?

 

The main issue is that the charge temp rises as a bi-product of the S/C itself (hot supercharger & high pressure). Cooling the air AFTER the supercharger is much more effective than cooling it before; hence the reason your intercooler is located AFTER the S/C and not before. The supercharger would just heat the charge right back up.

 

Sorry, never noticed this reply (Extra late, I'm bored doing an overnight shift and was searching through old threads ). Only problem is if you go after the supercharger the only place to install is on the manifold pipes that are after the IAT sensor and the ecu will probably pull the timing anyway because its sensing the air strait out of the IC and before the injection. Is there a way to fool the IAT sensor to read cooler so timing won't be pulled?

 

Would something like this resolve the problem of running the alcohol injection only when you want it?

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku