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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hustler316
. I guess I should have stayed in the racing forum, at least that little slice of the forum is idiot free.
Only when your not on it. LOL Sorry I could not resist.
I'm only joking.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 11:19 PM
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Only when your not on it. LOL Sorry I could not resist.
I'm only joking.
I'll second that; except the part about joking. I have a hard time believing that Rob is sponsoring this boy amongst men. And to the OP; regarding weight, pounds is abbreviated as lbs., not pds. And you could abbreviate even further and use the # sign. But you probably knew all that already, right?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 11:43 PM
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while forgestars are light they are far from weak. flow formed is one of the strongest ways to build a 1 piece wheel. if you think those replica wheels (cast) are stronger you are sadly mistaken.
remove the duo valve, coolant tank and egr setup. might get you 8 to 10 lbs off the engine bay.
btw there was a member on here racing his xfire in full race form when the car was nearly new. in fact he dropped a manual trans in his srt to reduce weight even more. you sir arent reinventing the wheel merely following in the footsteps of those before you. we joke we jest and we poke fun at those who ask questions they should already know the answers to. we also help broke down cars give away needed parts to those that cant afford new and dispense knowledge and info freely. from rudy and his v8 engine swaps, to rob to maxichon, cjw,woody, grip so many others.
have fun with your car and remember you came to us we didnt ask you.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 11:58 PM
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Guys, we're all failing to see the logic.

This thread was asking about how to reduce weight by destr--- modifying the engine bay and removing anything/everything not crucial to the simple task of making Corvette owners weep.

Now, just because he's asking about how to reduce weight doesn't mean he's asking about ALL weight -- just the weight under the hood (at least in this thread). Please ignore the fact that he has already gutted the entire interior (which is not under the hood) to save weight, but this is not the same weight as what he's asking about now, even though all that weight is supported by the same contact patches.
  • To clarify, the 3-4 pounds of plastic around the steering wheel are crucial and unnecessary, and must be shed in the interest of lapping Corvettes. He is utilizing lightweight racing seats, but the weight of the meat sitting there and piloting the car has no effect. His degree says so. And he will be MAD if you dare ask him his weight again. Got it? Good.
Also be advised that rotational mass has little effect on racing (for him at least), so using heavy cast replica wheels is perfectly fine, we can sod off with our suggestions. Low-pressure cast wheels are stronger and more worry-free than forged wheels. Someone should tell MetalMilitia (working at BBS) to scrap research on their new proprietary alloy with market-leading lightness and strength, designed specifically for racing. With this breaking news, track runners everywhere are ditching their Reeboks for hiking boots, because the penalty of extra weight is offset by the competitive advantage of ankle support. Lolo Jones, you're doing it wrong.

Furthermore, he is so convinced of his intelligence that he is willing to give me -- a lowly recreational racer -- Paul Tracy's personal number so I can call him and ask him about how his heft didn't affect performance in a racing series where all cars are regulated to be within ounces of each other. Paul has my utmost respect and all, but I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate someone giving out his personal information just to prove a point. If he's into that, I'm getting my ******* signed. In Sharpie.

Yes, I am having fun with this now. Yes, my wife is more comfortable with a question about her weight than the OP is. Yes, I genuinely wish him the best in racing and I hope to see him make a name for our Crossfires in 2013.

Regards,
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 12:39 AM
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deeeeelete
 

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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hustler316
Now was that so difficult!
Yes forgestars are nice wheels but they are between 1500 and 3000 per wheel. A little hard to justify 12000 in wheels.
Um...

Forgestar Wheels Forgestar CF5 Wheels - Forgestar Wheels Wheels on sale, cheap rims, cheap wheels from Forgestar Wheels at discount prices

I didn't even need a degree for that research. You'll shed ~8 pounds per corner using those, depending on tire.

But it seems I'm too late:

Originally Posted by hustler316
I have no further interest in posting anything further. Thanks for all in info, this site was useful in it's day, I see it has run its course.
So long, speed racer.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:16 AM
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hustler316
Last post, Since you fail to grasp simple concepts I'll explain it....besides the wiring harness there is no more weight to strip for inside the car, all that is left is what is under the hood. I actually have 1 seat not 2 and the meat in the seat is at 9% body fat, hence not concerned with losing weight, so stop beating that dead horse. And yes rotation mass has far less to do with the handling of a car than static weigh, but as a recreational racer,as you put it (and I'm guessing autocross), I'm sure understand all the concepts of car setup and everything related to that Furthermore rims that are less than $800 per set are far more worry free than a set at $12,000. That's $11,200 that can go into the race program, and thanks for the news on the wheels that MM is working on I'm sure you will see those done real soon,do you believe everything you read on-line?..lots of talk little action.
As far as your sprinting analogy, first of all we do use lighter rims when sprinting (running time trial) but when we are racing we prefer something more like a hiking boot that can take a little more punishment, and when they do get damaged we can toss them in the trash without a second thought. Get off the couch and get out to the track then come back and talk to me, lots of people with a computer and couch think they know something about racing......especially if they read it on-line.
Speaking of simple concepts:
  1. You've had TWO "last posts"... quit being a girl, get composure, and just have a discussion.
  2. Forgestars are NOT $12,000. Please research before you speak and lecture me about not knowing facts
  3. BBS's new wheels are already taking orders for the GT-R program. Their 20x11 wheel is ~20 pounds. Again, research before you come across as an **** of epic proportions
  4. If you're at 9% body fat you would surely know that no runner on earth would use hiking boots for any speed-based competition when a sturdy Saucony is available. The Chinese replicas you are using are a gamble at best.
Please issue one more "last post" to tell me how clueless I am. While throwing those stones, please use spell-check -- it does wonders for the argument that you're an intellectual superior.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:44 AM
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If you're still consolable, here are some excellent wheels that are right at $1,000 per set (shipped), and they're rotary-forged just like the Forgestars, so they're very light and strong.

Several styles to choose from:

Nurburgring Alloy wheels in matte gunmetal, gunmetal w/ mirror cut face, and matte bronze by TSW | www.TSW.com

Tanaka Rotary Forged 5 Spoke Alloy wheels in matte black and hyper silver by TSW | www.TSW.com

Panorama Rotary Forged 5 Spoke Alloy wheels in matte black, silver w/ mirror cut face, and matte bronze by TSW | www.TSW.com

Interlagos Rotary Forged 9 Spoke Alloy wheels in matte black and silver w/ mirror cut face by TSW | www.TSW.com

And here's where you can get them all:

Wheel Studio: TSW Wheels - TSW Wheels Wheels on sale, cheap rims, cheap wheels from TSW Wheels at discount prices

Less weight during articulation of the suspension = faster response time of suspension components = nimbler handling = faster lap times.

You are literally the first person I've ever come across to say that wheel weight is negligible in road racing.

There, I was helpful. As for under-the-hood stuff, it's all been covered in the thread at this point.

All the best,
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 02:36 AM
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Did this butthorn just delete every post he made? LOL
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 06:26 AM
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Did this butthorn just delete every post he made? LOL
I think we hit a soft spot.

I've seen the same thing in bicycle racing. Somebody's trying to shave off ounces by changing a $2000 wheel set but they're dragging an extra 15lbs on the waistline. It's silly.

I don't know how much "Hustler" weighs nor do I care. He wants to ignore the forum and go cry in his soup.

btw, I weigh 168lbs (about 5lbs overweight).
 

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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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This forum now reminds me of my good old days at srtforums.com
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 11:32 AM
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Did this butthorn just delete every post he made? LOL
Seems so. Good thing I quoted them or I would look like I was arguing with myself. Oh lawdy.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 12:25 PM
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I go on vacation, fail to have internet service a few days and MY most interesting member is driven off. Why do some of you keep trying to fit everyone into the same category. I get tired of individuals at times but understand that not everyone fits into the most popular flavor of Crossfire owner. I don't know Hustler but understand he's been racing a long time already which should lead most to conclude that he knows a lot about the subject and how to prepare a car. Just a tidbit, when you sit in a Crossfire most of the weight is transferred to the rear wheels. No one told me that, I weighed my car with and without me in the seat. Most race prepared cars are lightened to the point that ballast is used to make weight. In other words the weight of the driver makes no difference and the ballast is put where it will do the most good, be that where it may. Keep on disinfecting the forum and it will continue to get more and more boring. Without flavor or variety. Just my opinion but a few of us need consider where our beloved forum will end up if we keep driving off people.

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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 12:51 PM
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I hope Hustler will keep posting. He is a part of the forum and should be treated with respect.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:14 PM
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I hope Hustler will keep posting. He is a part of the forum and should be treated with respect.
respect begins at home and is earned not expected
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:21 PM
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Just a tidbit, when you sit in a Crossfire most of the weight is transferred to the rear wheels.. Les
...which would indicate the driver is light, hence, the need to remove weight from the front of the car.
So, why didn't he just say so instead of throwing a wall eyed fit?

The way he posed the question indicated he was just trying to make the car lighter.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by velociabstract
I go on vacation, fail to have internet service a few days and MY most interesting member is driven off. Why do some of you keep trying to fit everyone into the same category. I get tired of individuals at times but understand that not everyone fits into the most popular flavor of Crossfire owner. I don't know Hustler but understand he's been racing a long time already which should lead most to conclude that he knows a lot about the subject and how to prepare a car. Just a tidbit, when you sit in a Crossfire most of the weight is transferred to the rear wheels. No one told me that, I weighed my car with and without me in the seat. Most race prepared cars are lightened to the point that ballast is used to make weight. In other words the weight of the driver makes no difference and the ballast is put where it will do the most good, be that where it may. Keep on disinfecting the forum and it will continue to get more and more boring. Without flavor or variety. Just my opinion but a few of us need consider where our beloved forum will end up if we keep driving off people.

Les
I guess this is where we are all supposed to apologize for his hypersensitivity?

We didn't try to fit him into any category, he put himself in one.

If he's been racing for so long with this chip on his shoulder, there's no wonder he's still in the minors. Just my opinion.

He is more than welcome to post whenever he wants, even if he thinks Forgestars cost more than most Crossfires.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 32krazy!
respect begins at home and is earned not expected
"I respect him when he respect me" and he must earn my respect etc is so old. I find it better just if everyone would respect everyone from the start and problem solved. But world is not perfect. I just entered the thread to see some cool stuff and great ideas... Find it sad to see it came to this.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2012 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by velociabstract
I go on vacation, fail to have internet service a few days and MY most interesting member is driven off. Why do some of you keep trying to fit everyone into the same category. I get tired of individuals at times but understand that not everyone fits into the most popular flavor of Crossfire owner. I don't know Hustler but understand he's been racing a long time already which should lead most to conclude that he knows a lot about the subject and how to prepare a car. Just a tidbit, when you sit in a Crossfire most of the weight is transferred to the rear wheels. No one told me that, I weighed my car with and without me in the seat. Most race prepared cars are lightened to the point that ballast is used to make weight. In other words the weight of the driver makes no difference and the ballast is put where it will do the most good, be that where it may. Keep on disinfecting the forum and it will continue to get more and more boring. Without flavor or variety. Just my opinion but a few of us need consider where our beloved forum will end up if we keep driving off people.

Les
The Indy cars this year have a driver weight equalizing system using plates put under the seats. This is intended to negate the advantage of the drivers of the Danica Patrick size over the Paul Tracy types. This was pushed for by the drivers. Everything else in the car was regulated so why not the weight in the driver seat? Ballast may be required and it will be determined accurately and not made impossible by the size of the driver ar$e. The weight of the Indy cars on the grid now will all be around the same figure.

I agree that he was interesting, but he got a little snarly and was jumped on. I hope he reconsiders his position.
 
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