elow...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...then...Man, I ain't tellin' you what to do but the writing is on the wall.

 

Scott- I'm in no way running a scam. I paid just as much as our highest chip in amount, only 3 members kicked it. I wasn't planning on stiffing you for the money. However i thought that the difference that i would be paying would be on the group buy price, not $425. Your product probably does work, all we want is some proof. I think we all find it odd that you guys don't provide any re-search or proof of your product. Why should it be up to me and others here to do it for you? That being said, i really don't care to buy your chip anymore anyways. Guess we can just try another company, or maybe another rep. from Upsolute.

 

this scott guy is a complete douche, lets move on...

 

Such a bullhorn in the first place anyway! Let's go ban this scum!

 

wow... i would of been interested in this product ...but i only buy from professional companies that have professionals working for them...

i am starting to miss my SRT4, all the parts for it where inexpensive and the good shops we had where very professional...

 

This is an interesting statement:

"...*and* not give me the dyno results?"

Did the original contract, in whatever form it was negotiated in, require Elow to give Scott the dyno results? This seems to be quite a bold statement to make. I may be wrong, but I bet there was no agreement for dyno results to be given to Upsolute when the chip upgrade was delivered to Elow, at whatever the agreed cost of the chip upgrade may have been.

It does sound like that Scott may have put himself at a risk of $175 if Elow didn't pay the balance, but that is the risk of fronting the chip for $250 and hoping for the balance later. But Elow was risking getting a product that didn't meet his expectations. This is why small claims court exists.

I will say, however, that Scott seems very professional, and has been taking a lot of flak over this. In my opinion, though, with all he has invested at this point with the forum (all by his own doing, I might add), his integrity (and the company he works for...a much bigger issue for him) is at stake and I am personally surprised he hasn't offered either:

1) Pay for a dyno run.
2) Perform one chip upgrade at no cost in exchange for a dyno run.

It seems unreasonable to me that Scott is expecting a full chip price payment *and* the dyno run. I would think at this point he would offer one or the other on his dime, but his reaction of pulling out at this point is a reaction that is surprising to me...but maybe not to everyone else. I also think that Upsolute corporate would not find this thread to be in their best interest at this point either. Scott is representing them, and in my opinion, he is not exactly giving Upsolute the best image possible. He may just pull out now in hopes that it all goes away, but with the number of reads on this one, I think that would be his worst move of all.

I will like to reiterate that I do believe the Upsolute Chip upgrade is product that delivers a modest performance upgrade. How much of an upgrade is a mystery and I, like everyone else, would like to know exactly how much it is.

I would be really disappointed if Scott and Elow disappear and we never find out.



FYI, I just looked through my records. I paid Upsolute $425 for my upgrade in December of 2004, but I received a $75 rebate directly from Upsolute corporate about a month later. I was informed of this $75 rebate at the time of my inquiry, but I did not know of the rebate before hand and it was not a factor in me going with it.

 

Check out Rocketeer Performance in San Jose, maybe you can work out a deal with him.

Upsolute San Jose, CA
Rocketeer Performance
6210 Paso Los Cerritos, SuiteA
San Jose, Ca 95120
(408) 674 1593
john@rocketeerperformance.com
http://www.rocketeerperformance.com

 

I find it really sad and disappointing that only 3 members contributed financially to Ian's baseline Dyno (I was one of them). There are so many posts on this forum asking for information on the best way to get more HP. Paying as a group makes it cheaper for everyone and we gain the information needed to make informed investments of real value. Reading a number of other threads it seems that a number of members have previously paid large sums of money and got bugger all in return (in terms of HP gain).

I still really want to see a Dyno with the Upsolute chip fitted and would be willing to contribute again to obtain the information. I would rather contribute and get the facts rather than spend a whole load on something that I could very well be disappointed in.

 

I can understand your frustration, but think it is entirely misdirected at forum members. Why not direct it toward the chip provider who wants a lot more of your money without providing you any documentation that anything it does will do anything to justify your expense? Or expects you to go out on your own to get the documentation and then provide it to them?

 

Can you guys just forget about Upsolute. Let's move on and go to the next chip maker - Powerchip or Renntech!

Maybe they have a better business ethics than Upsolute!

We have the initial dyno so maybe Powerchip or Renntech would like to sell their products to us!

 

By the way, what's your PayPal email addy?

My contribution is on the way for your first dyno!

 

I spoke with John, the Upsolute Rep. from San Jose California. He said that he would sell the chip for $325 if we have 10 confirmed buyers. I told him about the dyno, and he said that he would refund me if i did not like the gains. However i would have to pay the full $425 up front. Its a bit to much for me right now, just had my g/f car fixed, plus were about to move... hopefully next month i will be able to do it. When i do i will report my findings. I would say we should try another chip, but i thought all the others were way more expensive? Maybe someone who already has the chip can get there car dynoed on a Dynojet>

pay pal: En023@yahoo.com

 

Although the idea of having another XF with the UPchip placed on a DYNO has been pitched already,

i believe or should i say, I AM interested in the results from YOUR XF. Being able to see what differences are made to your pre and post chipping.

should it take a month ...more or less... to get YOUR project completed... i will wait...

thanks again

j

 

well... working for or with a corporation... an international corp none the less... will restrict one from offering anything due to corporate mandate and policies...

in short... Scott doesn't own UPSOLUTE he is an employee/dealer/advisor and must follow corporate guidelines concerning internal information...

as you said... its baffling that UPSOLUTE does not give any info that customers and potential customers are requesting... however... his exposure and access to us / for us ...counters my negative feelings I have towards UPSOLUTE...

if it wasn't for SCOTT's participation on this forum, the company upsolute would not be uttered from my mouth.

j

 

Check your PayPal account.

 

Congrats on the dyno. I think you are one of the few to actually dyno your car and post it with charts. Actually the only one I can think of...

Good job.

And everyone said my 175 whp estimate was too low. Ha!

 

Has anyone checked out Autothority for a chip.

http://www.autothority.com/products/index.html

 

Hello everyone, I'm revisiting this thread because I'm convinced it's bogus and those of you who believed ELOW, got scammed.

Both myself and WOODY, a member from the UK have had independent dyno runs both in California and England respectively. Both were performed by very respectable race shops who routinely work on german cars.

I'm not going to argue the HP & Torque #'s that ELOW is presenting in this thread, they are almost valid. I will however argue the RPM shown on his bogus dyno print-out. Both Woody and I have verified that (without serious electronics modifications that are beyond the expertise of the DC engineers in the USA) the engine will cut at 5,000 +/- RPM on a dyno. His print-out shows the car cutting at the rev limit of 6,200 rpm... Ain't gunna happen guys !

Not only that, in order to get the car to run on a dyno various fuses must be removed from the ECU housing which is located under the hood in front of the passenger firewall. If you notice in his picture under the hood, this is still assembled.

Sorry guys, I think this knucklehead ELOW skunked you. Notice how he has disappeared ?...If you want to see the real truth about dynos with the Crossfire, we have a thread going on this forum.

 

Thanks HDDP for bringing this up... perhaps it will bring ELOW out... i did see him online about 2 weeks back... but he did not respond to any threads.

Nor did he respond to recent messages i sent to him...

You see for the last month (gettin back from a trip we took) I FELT LIKE A KNUCKLEHEAD!!! I am not a believer of using my credit card online (old fashioned... over precautious). So i sought alternate routes to send off my contribution... to ELOW ...and after certain attempts and several more attempts to send it (he provided his name and address to me... but said they were in the midst of a move) I provided to him my cell and home number... although we never talked...

So although i was in contact (via messages) with him up until i left the country, i lost touch with him. his last correspondence with me was that he was going to get the chip and a re-dyno @ the same place by summer's end. Someone/I should call them!?!?!?

Not to sound too altruistic but perhaps he was scammed by the DYNO shop... who knows? ...until he materializes... or at least the username ELOW appears online again...

HDDP/WOODY thanks for the ALERT!!! ...most of all bringing this up to the forefront again...

And ultimately i hope i end up being the knuckle head and not he... time will tell...

 

Geeze, how much did he collect from you guys ? My dyno only cost $90 and that included a Fuel / Air ratio mapping. Even his #'s look sketchy, though all dynos read slightly different, a stock Crossfire will turn about 155-160 whp and 210-215 ft lbs of torque. Peak HP will be achieved at appx 4,750-4,850 rpm and peak torque will occur at appx 4,250-4,350 rpm. The fuel / air ratio he's showing is way too low, both Woody's stock Crossfire and my modded Crossfire are running 14.5 +/-, he's showing below 13. ????

The dead giveaway is the car running up to 6,200 rpm on the dyno. If I were the inquisitive kind, I would call modacar that did his dyno and ask some key questions about how they could have run the car up to 6,200.