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Old Jul 17, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT6_Roadster
I am not interested in only 400 BHP - that is easy. What I want is 400 RWHP without Nitrous which is much more difficult.

While a cooling system upgrade is in the works my car runs very consistently in its current form. We will see if the cooling system upgrade is worth the money. My current thought is that it will not be but we will find out. Before you ask yes I do track my car on occasion.

SI has been moved off my list of tuners. I have emails and PM's into the guys at SI and have received no response to my questions.
Water/Meth kits put down huge numbers in turbo applications, i'm not sure when they do in supercharged cars, but evo's pick up like 30 whp with them, maybe even more. Its definitely something i would look into though, and since its rear mounted you might get some good weight balance as well. Usually they allow you to run more boost safely, but i'm not sure how much more boost you can run on that supercharger and keep it efficient. You may want to look into upgrading the supercharger, don't know if other benz applications would fit or not.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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I do have the SLK55 y-pipe. I think the stock air boxes an intake tubes are a restriction but need to come up with a way to use something larger without sucking hot air. Not a huge amount of room in there to build an airbox.

I do not believe the Nitrous spraying the intercooler would be nearly as effective in the SRT application as it is in a turbo application. Remember that in the Turbo the air has already been compressed and is traveling through the IC prior to entering the engine.

In the SC'd application you are cooling down the water that cools the intake charge. I believe that you would help prevent a loss in power due to heat soak but am not convinced that you would gain any power.

My reluctance to run Nitrous is not because I have an issue with it or think it is necessarily unsafe. The reasons are 1) I don't want to have to bother with the refills, 2) I would want to run a direct port and that would be custom work which gets expensive quickly 3) I do not want to give up any trunk space and 4) the engines are mighty expensive if you do create a problem for yourself. Has anyone priced one from the dealer? Ouch!

I don't know if there is room for a turbo setup in the cars. The space we are working with is pretty small. Maybe I would look at it if someone built the turbo exhaust manifolds. Then I would have to get a base SRT manifold and port it to eliminate the SC or have someone build me an intake manifold.

Vadim has dyno's of his C32 putting down over 400hp to the wheels. The issue he ran into was the SC clutch slipping. It can only take so much.

I am hoping for headers soon as that will help guide my next course of action. I may have to upgrade my ASP pulley's to something custom to run even more boost.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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If you can afford to have someone fab it up an sts (rear mount) twin turbo may be the way to go.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by srt6_crossfire
calling psuperti...

time to step up to the plate and take one for the team. you did say you were willing to get your car used to prototype and get one didn't you?

don't mean to twist your arm or anything... :-)
Sorry I'm late boys! Well, I'm here in AZ, ready to spend some money and get some power. So what ever happed to this? Do we need my car or not?
Come on, man give me more power please!!!

I'm sending him a PM
 

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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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The PM message:
Hi this is psuperti (Paul) we spoke a while back about getting headers designed for the crossfire. So I moved to AZ and want to see if there was any progress and offer my car as a prototype again.
Please let me know ASAP.

Thanks,
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT6_Roadster
...Remember that in the Turbo the air has already been compressed and is traveling through the IC prior to entering the engine...
Intercooling uses the same principals for both supercharged and turbocharged engines. Cooling the air after is has been compressed.
 

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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by psuperti
The PM message:
Hi this is psuperti (Paul) we spoke a while back about getting headers designed for the crossfire. So I moved to AZ and want to see if there was any progress and offer my car as a prototype again.
Please let me know ASAP.

Thanks,
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I've been in contact with Chris from Floored Fabrication. Right now they have an SLK32 in their shop getting fitted. Once this is done I am going to bring my car over to him to see if the headers will indeed fit. They are developing both long tube and shorty style headers. The shorties will bolt up to the OEM exhaust. The long tubes will require a custom exhaust and some computer tuning to get the full advantages of the increased flow.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
I've been in contact with Chris from Floored Fabrication. Right now they have an SLK32 in their shop getting fitted. Once this is done I am going to bring my car over to him to see if the headers will indeed fit. They are developing both long tube and shorty style headers. The shorties will bolt up to the OEM exhaust. The long tubes will require a custom exhaust and some computer tuning to get the full advantages of the increased flow.
Thought you gave up or something. Anyways, I'm here until NOV. so I want to buy this and have that shop install it. How long will it take?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by psuperti
Thought you gave up or something. Anyways, I'm here until NOV. so I want to buy this and have that shop install it. How long will it take?
Nope, I just sold my Ford Fairlane so I've got some extra cash burning a hole in my pocket.

Chris was figuring about a week to a week and a half turn around, depending on how busy they are. This depends if the SLK headers will be a drop in fit to the Crossfire. This gives them a few days to actually put the headers together and another few days to get coated. It really all depends on both shops' work load. I've also been in contact with Steve from the MB forum, his SLK32 is the donor car, so he is keeping me in the loop as well.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
I've been in contact with Chris from Floored Fabrication. Right now they have an SLK32 in their shop getting fitted. Once this is done I am going to bring my car over to him to see if the headers will indeed fit. They are developing both long tube and shorty style headers. The shorties will bolt up to the OEM exhaust. The long tubes will require a custom exhaust and some computer tuning to get the full advantages of the increased flow.
good luck finding someone in the area to custom tune your computer's timing fuel curves!
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:08 AM
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good luck finding someone in the area to custom tune your computer's timing fuel curves!
BINGO ! DITTO ! and all that stuff.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 12:57 AM
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good luck finding someone in the area to custom tune your computer's timing fuel curves!
I don't remember saying that I was going to put the long tube headers on my car. Anyway if I did Renntech, Kleeman or even Speed Innovation would be able to setup a tune for them. Heck there are even smaller shops that have OPTICAN tuners that might be able to work out something.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
I don't remember saying that I was going to put the long tube headers on my car. Anyway if I did Renntech, Kleeman or even Speed Innovation would be able to setup a tune for them. Heck there are even smaller shops that have OPTICAN tuners that might be able to work out something.
That's wonderful... But the system is designed using http://www.etas.com/en/products/inca...e_products.php

NOVICE !!!
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HDDP
BINGO ! DITTO ! and all that stuff.
Originally Posted by cjspecial
On the long tube setup on the E55 Kompressor 80 hp & 90 lb ft tq. This was accomplished with retuning the ecu for the headers.
I'm sure if you asked nicely Chris would let anyone know who did the tuning for the E55 long tube designs.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HDDP
That's wonderful... But the system is designed using http://www.etas.com/en/products/inca...e_products.php

NOVICE !!!
Honestly Derek I am a novice to computer controlled vehicles. I'm not going to lie or lead anyone else to think otherwise. But really do you have to be a f-ing jerk all the time or does it just come naturally?

You know what, the more I think about it I really think you should take the advice that Asian guy (with the supercharged Blue M3) gave you and drop down a few classes so that you don't slow down the rest of the field. You really are a hazard on the course when you are the slowest driver out there. Really I don't know why you put yourself that high up there??? You put race rubber & aftermarket suspension on your car when you don't have the horsepower or the skill to compete with the other racers out there.

You talked **** about that Asian guy to me and my buddy when we met up with you in Fontana and you know what, I talked to him and he was cool. He answered all my questions and wasn't a ***** like you are acting like.

I'm bummed that you are out there representing the Crossfire community in this negative matter.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
I'm sure if you asked nicely Chris would let anyone know who did the tuning for the E55 long tube designs
No need, At my request, Burns Stainless has already done the specs and flow calcs. on the headers for both NA & SC versions of the engine and Ron Morse has built a set for me...

Why re-invent the wheel ?

If you want performance headers it's going to cost you $2,200... If you can't afford that kind of money then you won't get what you are hoping for...

http://www.burnsstainless.com/
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
Honestly Derek I am a novice to computer controlled vehicles. I'm not going to lie or lead anyone else to think otherwise. But really do you have to be a f-ing jerk all the time or does it just come naturally?

You know what, the more I think about it I really think you should take the advice that Asian guy (with the supercharged Blue M3) gave you and drop down a few classes so that you don't slow down the rest of the field. You really are a hazard on the course when you are the slowest driver out there. Really I don't know why you put yourself that high up there??? You put race rubber & aftermarket suspension on your car when you don't have the horsepower or the skill to compete with the other racers out there.

You talked **** about that Asian guy to me and my buddy when we met up with you in Fontana and you know what, I talked to him and he was cool. He answered all my questions and wasn't a ***** like you are acting like.

I'm bummed that you are out there representing the Crossfire community in this negative matter.
Point well taken... Quite untrue, but well taken... The only **** I was talking about the BMW M3 and that it should not be classed in "D" because he's got so many modifications that he has not declared to the tech inspectors that he was sand bagging the class... And he has been DQ'd from "D" class... Because as you said, supercharged M3 in a NA class ???
 

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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 01:58 AM
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Point well taken... Quite untrue, but well taken... The only **** I was talking about the BMW M3 was that it should not be classed in "D" because he's got so many modifications that he has not declared to the tech inspectors that he was sand bagging the class... And he has been DQ'd from "D" class...
Actually my brother, who was with me, noticed that you were outclassed and he's not even into cars. It was that noticeable.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by msheredy
Honestly Derek I am a novice to computer controlled vehicles. I'm not going to lie or lead anyone else to think otherwise. But really do you have to be a f-ing jerk all the time or does it just come naturally?
ahh don't get so upset, yeah he's an arrogant bugger sometimes but he's good to have around, just deal with it.
 
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Originally Posted by msheredy
Actually my brother, who was with me, noticed that you were outclassed and he's not even into cars. It was that noticeable.
That is a problem with the Crossfire classing for NASA and SCCA... Everyone thinks the car is a rocket, when it's actually a ROCK.
 
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