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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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That kicks A$$ bro!... I wish I had time to come down and really give you a couple of hands with that bad boy!

Keep up the good work!
 
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Old Dec 2, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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So sweet looking wish I had that much time to do that looks amazing. So shinny it hurts my eyes lol... I couldn't help but post some of your pictures on MBworld to tease the MB boys hope you dont mind cant wait till you get that bad boy running. Have you decided on a pulley yet?
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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That, that is just stupidly awesome.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Looks really good! I would have liked to have done something that nice on my engine, but since I am still dealing with an unproven concept, I have to keep costs down.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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Looks really good! I would have liked to have done something that nice on my engine, but since I am still dealing with an unproven concept, I have to keep costs down.
Yeah, you need to get the thing working first... Then you can always tear it apart later...

PS: just got home from work and my fin tubing arrived for the intercooler plumbing... I'll post some photos in a few...
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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All AMG engines of this era V6 and V8 have the oil filter housing with cooler. Can you tell me how the oil cooling system is configured? I have been offered a new AMG oil filter housing and was wondering if this could be adapted to my 5.0 Thank you.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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For those of you who did not quite understand the concept of the "fin tubing" I was having made to further reduce the IC coolant temps, Here are some photos... This is 20mm OD / 15mm ID aluminum tube that has cooling fins brazed to the outside of the tube in a contiguous circle. This tube is used for heat dispersion on hydro pumps, pneumatics, etc. It has a heat dispersion rate of 12 X the normal dispersion of plain aluminum tube and 85 X the dispersion rate of nylon braided HP hose... This means that the coolant temperature would drop the same in 1' of fin tube as it would in 12' of normal aluminum tube, or 35' of braided hose.

It also has an insulation property that works in reverse...

This also relates to Lantana's question about the oil cooler... The OEM oil cooler that attaches to the side of the filter housing is built the same way, it's a small chamber that is sandwiched with external aluminum fins and circulates the oil from the engine up to the cooler then dumps it into the top of the filter housing which drains back down to the pan. This is the only cooling mechanism in the system... I have thought very seriously about installing an additional oil cooler / heat exchanger at the base of pan, but I won't know for sure if it's necessary until the engine is tested on the track with the new oil temperature gauge... If the temps rise above 230 degrees during race conditions, I will definately be adding one... It's good insurance...
 
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 05:40 AM
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Great idea! I am pretty sure I have something similar in my Trane a/c unit on the side of my house to cool the freon. Thanks for the explanation on the oil cooler.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 10:34 PM
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Great idea! I am pretty sure I have something similar in my Trane a/c unit on the side of my house to cool the freon. Thanks for the explanation on the oil cooler.
The great thing about these tubes is the OD of this 3/4" tube is the same OD of the 5/8" OEM intercooler connections, just thinner walled... Also, you can take a brazing torch and remove the fins in the places you need to make bends in the tube, or trim the fins with tin snips to make them fit... Also, can be anodized at your local shop in different colors...
 
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Old Dec 5, 2007 | 06:11 AM
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HDDP, Any idea what HP you think this engine will produce? What are you hoping for?
 
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Old Dec 6, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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HDDP, Any idea what HP you think this engine will produce? What are you hoping for?
Oh, I don't think it will put down much more than 380 with the Schrick cams and custom headers, MOTEC, etc... Unless we increase the boost of the SC, which for road racing purposes, is death on the longevity of the engine...

I'll be happy with 360 hp to the wheels and extactic with 380... Especially since the car only weighs 2,440 lbs now...
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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LOL 360 to the wheels and you weigh about the same as one of those tiny Mini's? This car is going to be scary.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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LOL 360 to the wheels and you weigh about the same as one of those tiny Mini's? This car is going to be scary.
Dinan tunes Mini's with about 250 to the wheels... They are fun.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 07:46 PM
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Oh, I don't think it will put down much more than 380 with the Schrick cams and custom headers, MOTEC, etc... Unless we increase the boost of the SC, which for road racing purposes, is death on the longevity of the engine...

I'll be happy with 360 hp to the wheels and extactic with 380... Especially since the car only weighs 2,440 lbs now...
Is your weight with or without driver?

My car was 3,400 lbs WITH driver (I'm around 180-190).

What all have you removed? Have you weighed the pieces you removed? Sounds like you'll have a rocket with just a STOCK SRT engine, much less a modified one.
That lotus won't stand a chance now!

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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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I have completely gutted the car, there are photos on my cardomain page and here in this forum... Added 110 lbs with a SCCA regulation cage... The car originally weighed 3,060 lbs with 1/2 tank of gas before it was gutted and caged. Now it weighs 2,440 with a half tank of gas... I weigh 175... So total would be 2,615... I'm too lazy to figure a HP/WT ratio, but will have to do that when the car is completely rebuilt for classing purposes...

I'm just guessing on the final HP for now, but think 360 is probably in the ballpark, considering the manual trans has much less powertrain loss to the wheels than the auto... Please don't hold me to these numbers till we get the thing in and dyno'd... Heck even if the engine spits out the OEM 330 hp and I don't get any increase from the mods, I'll still be putting down a crazy hp/wt ratio... It should be a rocket, you are right...

Forget the lotus' I think I'm going to be somewhere in the same hp/wt ratio range as the Z06... Or the Shelby GT500...
 

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HDDP
I have completely gutted the car, there are photos on my cardomain page and here in this forum... Added 110 lbs with a SCCA regulation cage... The car originally weighed 3,060 lbs with 1/2 tank of gas before it was gutted and caged. Now it weighs 2,440 with a half tank of gas... I weigh 175... So total would be 2,615... I'm too lazy to figure a HP/WT ratio, but will have to do that when the car is completely rebuilt for classing purposes...

I'm just guessing on the final HP for now, but think 360 is probably in the ballpark, considering the manual trans has much less powertrain loss to the wheels than the auto... Please don't hold me to these numbers till we get the thing in and dyno'd... Heck even if the engine spits out the OEM 330 hp and I don't get any increase from the mods, I'll still be putting down a crazy hp/wt ratio... It should be a rocket, you are right...

Forget the lotus' I think I'm going to be somewhere in the same hp/wt ratio range as the Z06... Or the Shelby GT500...
What are you planning for your NA motor?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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I'll probably rape it for the swapable parts and then give the block and heads to Mike... http://www.mercedesengines.net/ He's been really helpful to me and I figure this would be a nice payback...
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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I'll probably rape it for the swapable parts and then give the block and heads to Mike... http://www.mercedesengines.net/ He's been really helpful to me and I figure this would be a nice payback...
Damn, I was hoping you would build a 3.7L with schricks cams and ported heads!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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There's no way to build the 3.2 into anything else, unless it's custom 1 off... $$$ I have already discussed the possibility with Mike...
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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There's no way to build the 3.2 into anything else, unless it's custom 1 off... $$$ I have already discussed the possibility with Mike...
what did you guys discuss?

why can't you just throw in the ML320 pistons and sleeves in there? I think it makes another 40 hp with just that alone. cams are good for about 18-20 hp. head porting could yield another 8-10 hp/cylinder there's 40-60 hp right there, bump up the CR to 12 or 13:1 on race gas, and an ECU flash for 18 hp. you could easily make up some headers for another 18 hp, and your full race exhaust is good for 10hp, slower pullies might produce 4 hp. Your already well into 320-350+ hp area with these mods alone.

that's already 140hp on top of the 215 hp, and that's being conservative I didn't even take into account higher CR. you could have a 350 hp NA motor easily.
 

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