saskins, I have to say that in my 35 years in aerospace I've seen some pretty elaborate ways of insulating things but have never seen anything like the paint you described. There are some coatings that I'm aware of that have some pretty good insulating properties but nothing like the stuff you are using. :shock:

I have noticed that now that you're not using the stock air-box that you have moved the inlets. Are they now drawing fresh air through the lower grilles or are you still intaking air from inside the engine bay? If you're still drawing air from inside the engine bay insulation seems to be a mute point or at least an exercise in futility. :?

 

even his old pictures seem to show him pulling air through the grills. dyno's please, saskins.

 

I beg to differ.... His original was drawing hot air from inside the engine bay. https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...hp?pic_id=1891

 

Please What? You know you don't have to have one right! I'm not forcing anything on any body. I'm simply sharing what I have done with the rest of the people, who are sharing what they have done to there cars. So believe what you want to believe. I know for a fact that this system kicks *SS.

 

How about those ceramic paints that NASA uses which has a property of maintaining 70 degrees on the painted area and surrounding.

 

relax buddy, im just asking you to get some dyno's. im glad your doing what you are. "dyno's please" like can you do one.....jeez

 

All I asked was if your new system is drawing outside air? You sure seem to be a little over deffensive.... Forget I asked... Sorry you're so touchy...:roll:

 

wmichaels im talking about the system that has pictures taken inside of the car. to me they are clearly in front of the engine drawing air from the upper and lower grills.

 

Looking at the picture it looks like you might be right but it's only a guess since you can't see the filter. That why I asked the question. :roll: I would like to see how he's got it ducted to the grill. (If that's okay with you) A normal cold air system typically isolated the intake/filter from the engine compartment. I'm just curious to see if that is what he has done.... That's why I was asking saskins... Unless you have seen his car I don't think you can answer my question, x'ed.

 

I'm no expert but the shorter the intake the better and the longer the intake the higher the resistance. By utilizing the stock placement and going with a larger diamater of tubing and K&N filters it seems that it would give the best result. Also modifying the stock air box a little by cutting out some of the fins inside would also help.

 

Saskins maybe a pic of the filters may help clear questions for people who are intrested.I am trying to do my own setup but could not use the lower grills due to clearance. I have decided to use the left stock position and use a filter housing to ensure only cold air. This is not as easy as the pipeing. Im already on the second prototype,and it looks like it may work its a cube the first was a cone. Anyway thats why I was asking about the paint. If you decide its not so top secret drop me a PM.

 

craftomatic,
the shorter isn't necessarily better. What you want is a clean flow of air. A stock rubber boot that most cars and truck use aren't smooth on the inside. And most stock air filters are restrictive. I to mod. the air box. I tried two things. I first closed one side and did as you did. I cut open some of the ports, an drove it for half a tank of gas. Then I closed that side and covered all but one port closest to the manifold and ran it the rest. My results weren't what I thought they were going to be. Actually the single port was putting out more power, and faster acceleration. This is when I learned more isn't better. It's the effecient air that is better. Oh ya and the paint I'm using can handle up to 1500 deg. I'm good freinds with my old science teacher from high school who got his masters in aerodynamics, and he gave me a lot of very helpful hints, that he learned while working at NASA.

 

Roms33,
Are you trying to make a full encloser? If so I completely understand your frustrations. I too have been working on that same thing. I came up with something, that will insure that those front scoops don't go to waste, & my cones stay nice and chill . But boy let me tell ya. It sure is a pain in the butt. Roms33 are you doing a single intake or a dual?

 

I hope you guys are able to sell production versions once you are happy with the results.

 

English_Bob,
Your the man. As soon as I get my patent pending info, and a #. You'll be the first person in line. Hopefully all the paper work will come back to me soon. I'm just as excited as probably everyone else who is looking for an intake system. I just can't believe I did it. Who ever purchases one when there avail., is going to be so stoked. I can't wait for all you mechanic enthusiasts to see this.

HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE!!!

 

I dont plan on selling anything this is just a way to use some pentup creative energy till I can get a track car.

Saskins it will be a full enclosure ,and only a single intake. I have run some test and found that the amuont of cfm's our cars flow one Racing K&N filter will do just fine. With the new filter the engine spools much faster through the rpm range.Anyway good luck with your setup.

 

Thanks man. The same goes to you Sir. If you need help, or have questions, you can post it or always PM me.

 

saskin, please take a look at this web site http://www.mercedesperformance.co.uk...%20filters.pdf I dont like the design but, is this what you are basic idea??

I found the above a few post back of this forum.

 

Hey R.Roberts,
Actually No. I totally agree with you on the design. What I can do is post a quick sketch I did of the final design. I'll either put it in my album, or the gallery. I hope some time today I'll be able to post actual pictures. Good pictures this time. Oh ya, also the sketch I did, shows an air cover, I'm still working on that. So it may not be in the photos I post. However I will have update the pictures as this change.

 

Sounds like mightyjr called it the first time out, this guy probably sells tonic from the back of his wagon. Don't you just love the "MY OVERALL ENGINE TEMP DROPPED 25%" . I wonder if he ever heard of engine management systems that control engine temp. I guess some people will believe anything........