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Old Nov 29, 2012 | 10:21 PM
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I learned the hard way( spent a lot of unnecessary money and parts) that just any not mechanic can work on a Crossfire.I found out something about a mass air flow sensor,they have to be programed to the computer After a month of excuses ,money and parts I took it a shop that specializes in European cars.Three hrs latter the car i running like a top.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2012 | 10:24 PM
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I find that hard to believe. The MAF sensor should be plug and play.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2012 | 10:54 PM
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I guess they forgot to tell these guys on Benz world they need to take it to the dealer..
I think you've just been hosed myself...

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I bough original Bosh MAF on ebay for $150. That was with no pipe, what cost me additional 2 minutes to cut slots on tamper-proof screws.
Nice pictorial, but I have mixed feelings.
Is somebody needs pictorial to release 2 spring-clamps and one screw, maybe he should take it to a mechanic?
BTW the CEL clears itself after few restarts.

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I just installed one on my E last week or two weeks ago. I purchased a used one from Potomac Auto ($135, I believe) just to make sure I knew what to do. I pulled the old one out and plan to clean it. The I found out later (like onesixthree pointed out), that one can get just the insert. My advice is to get the insert from Bosch, put it in and you'll be good to go.

The CEL didn't just disappear - it's a sampling sensor. Just give it time - mine selfadjusted after three/four days of driving.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2012 | 11:10 PM
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Not on mine
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I find that hard to believe. The MAF sensor should be plug and play.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by grip grip
I find that hard to believe. The MAF sensor should be plug and play.
They ARE plug & play. I swapped mine into maxchicon's car back when he was having idle issues etc. and it worked.
( by 'worked', I mean that his car still had the same issues, but swapping the MAF made no difference )
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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They ARE plug & play. I swapped mine into maxchicon's car back when he was having idle issues etc. and it worked.
( by 'worked', I mean that his car still had the same issues, but swapping the MAF made no difference )
Agreed, there is more to this than reading the OP's old posts.
I think the full story is required to find out what really happened.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by onehundred80
Agreed, there is more to this than reading the OP's old posts.
I think the full story is required to find out what really happened.
I just stuck a big ole GOLD STAR on my calendar ! ( Dave agreed with me on something )
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:34 PM
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They put it on a comprehensive engine analysis.Checked fault codes.Fault codes p2004-001 and p0110 stored indicating hot film airflow sensor short to ground.Installed new bosh maf .Reset adaptions and road tested.drove excellent and no fault codes reoccurred.After a month of bull car is running great . [QU me on something )[/QUOTE]
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:55 PM
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They put it on a comprehensive engine analysis.Checked fault codes.Fault codes p2004-001 and p0110 stored indicating hot film airflow sensor short to ground.Installed new bosh maf .Reset adaptions and road tested.drove excellent and no fault codes reoccurred.After a month of bull car is running great . [QU me on something )

Sounds like you installed a faulty MAF, not an incompatible one.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 02:23 PM
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The first MAF came from Advance Auto,second one from Autozone nothing would work till I took it shop that has the equipment to find the problem
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Sounds like you installed a faulty MAF, not an incompatible one.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 03:40 PM
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The first MAF came from Advance Auto,second one from Autozone nothing would work till I took it shop that has the equipment to find the problem
It should have worked straight out of the box with no programing required. The CEL may not go off for a while as it has to do 'x' number of readings before it resets the light. The code will be stored in the black box for future reference until it is cleared.

My belief is "Go Bosch or go (walk) home". *
Using parts that are not specifically meant for our cars and using a generic part isnot the way to go.
If the part is made in China I would not touch it. Nothing against the Chinese, but a lot of their stuff is crap, and once it is imported there is no returning it to them. So the importer tries to sell it anyway.

*I keep saying this but Bosch has yet to send me any spare parts as a token of their appreciation.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 03:43 PM
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Come on 180 .. we all know your an Ebay distributor! Guess everyone tries to boost the Christmas sales.. LOL.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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MAF's are absolutely plug and play. When I first got the V8 to start, I had a bad MAF on the donor engine. i installed the one from the V6 and it ran just fine for a day or two until I had the new V8 MAF.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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The dealer had better equipment to do the diagnostics, that is all...your 1st guy didn't have a clue. Nothing to do with the sensor, other than it being the wrong one or a bad one...listen to the old guys...bosch...too many on here have been there done that....and didn't need a dealer...but, in the end, it is running and you are smilin'
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 02:41 AM
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Sometimes, well actually more than 'sometimes', people have to justify spending a whole lot of money for something that is fixed no matter how many tell him/her that a simple fix (fix = dollars = simple = money spent).

I wonder if that European mechanic has the equipment to reset that errant dash light which reaffirmed a 'fix' when they installed a BOSCH MAF sensor. Even if they didn't or iit wasn't necessary to 'reset' anything, I agree the car is fixed. But it would have been much cheaper if he had bought a Bosch MAF sensor and correctly installed it. Oh, all those analyzers a shop uses help justify the high bill. I would probably win a bet that given the in-check interview he probably had a good idea what was wrong with it without hooking it up to all that equipment. I do agree though it helps confirm there isn't another problem related to those codes. A message to OP, take the other sensors back to their stores and get some money back. In the future, go BOSCH, or walk home.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2012 | 10:37 AM
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I would think normal service procedure would include clearing the fault code. How would you know the code is old or new? Problem fixed?
 
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