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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
Sometimes I simply wonder if Maxwell is just trying to get a group of members to get all excited about a subject for the simple pleasure of having something else to read here besides mods for our cars etc. Give that some thought for just a moment.......
I personally don't read deep into all the threads to these kind of posts as I have other things to do with my time.
I'm bored at work, so its all good.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 06:45 PM
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All I can say about all that is, WOW. If he's extreme left, your definitely extreme right, LOL. Had a few things to get off your chest there champ? I don't think he was talking about any particular race when he refers to the (have nots). The "haves" I believe he's referring to are the people/corporations behind the seens pulling the strings. You my friend are not one of those people. What you have, no offense, isn't a drop in the bucket to what these "haves" are making. You and I are the hard working middle class that these people are using to make their fortunes off. Now I know nobody is specifically targeting you and I, but if you look at the big picture you will see how corrupt our government is. Hardly anything they do is for the average joe to succeed or make it ahead. Its built towards keeping the rich getting richer and giving us just enough of the pie to keep quite. I am not left wing and honestly my piece of the pie keeps me content most the time, but blind, I'm am not. So bring your worst 240m3srt, I'm ready to shoot you down.
Your response is appreciated. I always like to hear everyones point of view...even if your wrong...j/k Every now and then even a lefty will raise some good points.

I didnt mean to specifically get racial. I have buddies of all races and id fight for their rights any day of the week. That was just a prime example of how people like Jessie Jackson(who i do believe to be racist) convinces the poor uneducated black man that beacuse they are victims of the big bad white man they are owed something from society THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. He tries to convince them surely they arent capable of thinking for them selves, working to earn an honest living, becuase they have no chance at sucess since they were slaves 150 yrs ago. As a matter of fact...we owe the reparations! HA!

Point is liberals target the minorities of every group, then try and use them to create a majority vote and it works....sheer ignorance.

Are you any of the following:
llegal immigrant.
Black man whos been taken advantage of.
Feminist.
Gay.
Lesbian.
Tree hugger.
Native American.
Bum.
Killer.
Burglar.
Rapist.
Terrorist.

Guess what, liberals forgive you and welcome you with open arms. We know that beacuse of the bad old "big brother" or your "bad childhood" or your "history" you couldnt help what you did and its not your fault.....its everyone elses fault for not accepting you and giving you a handout as they should. YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. It was SOMEONE ELSE FAULT.

How about this, im a rather short man(5'6"). I have been made fun of my entire life for it. Girls typically prefer taller guys statistically. I have a hard time seeing the game at sports bars, not to mention the fact that every time i go to the bar for a drink everyone else is taller and gets served first. Im serious. I have to usually get my friends to order for me. My point is i DAMN WELL know what it feels like to be DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR SOMETHING I CANT HELP. Based on the liberal philosophy you all owe me something. So from this point forwards i want YOUR TAXES TO BE INCREASED for my sake. Well call it the Men of Short Stature Program(MSSP). We will have our own line at the bar, reduced cost drinks, and other special privileges that will be incurred by YOUR TAX DOLLARS since ive been suppressed all my life.

Poor. Little. Me.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
How about this, im a rather short man(5'6"). I have been made fun of my entire life for it. Girls typically prefer taller guys statistically. I have a hard time seeing the game at sports bars, not to mention the fact that every time i go to the bar for a drink everyone else is taller and gets served first. Im serious. I have to usually get my friends to order for me. My point is i DAMN WELL know what it feels like to be DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR SOMETHING I CANT HELP. Based on the liberal philosophy you all owe me something. So from this point forwards i want YOUR TAXES TO BE INCREASED for my sake. Well call it the Men of Short Stature Program(MSSP). We will have our own line at the bar, reduced cost drinks, and other special privileges that will be incurred by YOUR TAX DOLLARS since ive been suppressed all my life.
Poor. Little. Me.



Short People
Artist:Randy Newman
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
To live

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Round here

Short People are just the same
As you and I
(A Fool Such As I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's A Wonderful World)

Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
To love

They got little baby legs
And they stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
'Round here
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
Your response is appreciated. I always like to hear everyones point of view...even if your wrong...j/k Every now and then even a lefty will raise some good points.

I didnt mean to specifically get racial. I have buddies of all races and id fight for their rights any day of the week. That was just a prime example of how people like Jessie Jackson(who i do believe to be racist) convinces the poor uneducated black man that beacuse they are victims of the big bad white man they are owed something from society THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. He tries to convince them surely they arent capable of thinking for them selves, working to earn an honest living, becuase they have no chance at sucess since they were slaves 150 yrs ago. As a matter of fact...we owe the reparations! HA!

Point is liberals target the minorities of every group, then try and use them to create a majority vote and it works....sheer ignorance.

Are you any of the following:
llegal immigrant.
Black man whos been taken advantage of.
Feminist.
Gay.
Lesbian.
Tree hugger.
Native American.
Bum.
Killer.
Burglar.
Rapist.
Terrorist.

Guess what, liberals forgive you and welcome you with open arms. We know that beacuse of the bad old "big brother" or your "bad childhood" or your "history" you couldnt help what you did and its not your fault.....its everyone elses fault for not accepting you and giving you a handout as they should. YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. It was SOMEONE ELSE FAULT.

How about this, im a rather short man(5'6"). I have been made fun of my entire life for it. Girls typically prefer taller guys statistically. I have a hard time seeing the game at sports bars, not to mention the fact that every time i go to the bar for a drink everyone else is taller and gets served first. Im serious. I have to usually get my friends to order for me. My point is i DAMN WELL know what it feels like to be DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR SOMETHING I CANT HELP. Based on the liberal philosophy you all owe me something. So from this point forwards i want YOUR TAXES TO BE INCREASED for my sake. Well call it the Men of Short Stature Program(MSSP). We will have our own line at the bar, reduced cost drinks, and other special privileges that will be incurred by YOUR TAX DOLLARS since ive been suppressed all my life.

Poor. Little. Me.

Whoa! Your 5'6, you are short. Can anyone say Napoleon complex? Somebody get this man a drink on me STAT! Just messin man, its all good. I agree with alot of what you say (you lost me at trying to justify slavery in your last post). At this point we are all in the same boat. The world hates our guts and praying for our horrific downfall. So lets do what americans do and worry about our own insignificant (in the greater sceam of things) problems. So how's the intake coming around I need more power!!!?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by walc


Short People
Artist:Randy Newman
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
Short People got no reason
To live

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Round here

Short People are just the same
As you and I
(A Fool Such As I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(It's A Wonderful World)

Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
Short People got nobody
To love

They got little baby legs
And they stand so low
You got to pick 'em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
Don't want no Short People
'Round here
Too funny. LOL
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxwell

When pressed, I sometimes reply: "I don't hate America. In fact, think it's one of the best countries anyone ever stole." But, after the laughter dies down, I have a confession to make: If by "America" they mean the elected/appointed officials and the corporations that own them, well, I guess I do hate that America-with justification.

Among many reasons, I hate America for the near-extermination and subsequent oppression of its indigenous population. I hate it for its role in the African slave trade and for dropping atomic bombs of civilians. I hate its control of institutions like the United Nations, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, and World Trade Organization. I hate it for propping up brutal dictators like Suharto, Pinochet, Duvalier, Hussein, Marcos, and the Shah of Iran. I hate America for its unconditional support for Israel. I hate its bogus two-party system, its one-size-fits-all culture, and its income gap. I could go on for pages but I'll sum up with this: I hate America for being a hypocritical white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.

After a paragraph like that, you know what comes next: If you hate America so much, why don't you leave? Leave America? That would potentially put me on the other end of U.S. foreign policy. No thanks.
240M3SRT is correct about the original population of the Americas. They had been fighting with each other for maybe thousands of years and would happily exterminate their enemies if given the chance. Whenever a static, more primitive civilization comes in contact with a more dynamic, forceful, and - most importantly - technically superior civilization then it is going to be in trouble. If Europe had discovered the New World 200 years earlier than historically the original inhabitants would very possibly have been exterminated during the settlement process (look at South American for an example). And please stop calling the original inhabitants "Native Americans". Anybody born in America is a "Native American" and I refuse to give up my birthright title just because my ancestors weren't here an extra 10,000 years or two.

The African slave trade was not something Europe came up with on a lazy weekend 300 years ago. It had been going on for centuries and was principally orchrestrated by Arabs. Europe/America did become a major, if not the major, market but it was also Europe/America that ended it too. By the way, the Arabs weren't particular about skin color and were just as happy to enslave a white European as a black African.

The atomic bombings were responsible for maybe 200,000 civilian deaths (killed outright or died later from radiation poisoning). This figure is peanuts compared to the number of civilians the Japanese killed during WWII. Ironically the bombings actually saved civilian lives by ending the war before Japan was invaded. The Japanese military had plans for using the civilian population as canon fodder and there was even consideration given to killing all of the old and very young since these age groups were the most military impotent of the population and yet needed the most resources.

If this guy thinks that the UN is controlled by America then he has some really serious reality issues to deal with. He hates America so much. but what a cop out for not leaving.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Hey Maxwell -

Every great nation in the history of the world has dominated others, Every One.

France, England, Spain, Portugal, Rome, etc... But the USA still does not own/colonize any soil outside our borders (thru war). Of all the wars the USA has fought, we only asked for enough land to bury our dead.

Look at what Syria does in Lebanon – talk about assignation central, or what Russia does in Chechnya. I’ll take America every time.

But look on the bright side for a change Max -

The USA is one of the first countries to recognize women as equal to men, the first to free/abolish slavery and then offer them equal access to voting and our political process. (Won't find many black politicians in England or France or all of Europe) and we might even have a black President.

Whoda thought??

Excess Capitalism leads to big problems, but so does excess socialism and communism etc... It’s just that runaway capitalism fixes itself with economic meltdown - just look at the great depression – talk about fixing the income gap. Better that then how Cuba, Russia, Iran, Nigeria or Saudi Arabia fixes their problems.

I once had a professor who said it best - the solution to problems with democracy is ... more democracy.

Don't just hate/blame the politicians – hate/blame the voters who keep electing them into office. It’s up to us to make a change and carve the path – not for the path to be provided for us and we just simply walk down it. FREEDOM SHOULD TAKE EFFORT!!

We can still vote in change and a new hope for this nation. You just have to break free of all the commercialism. I took the first step and killed my TV (well I killed the cable and network feeds) I still watch Netflix movies but not network TV. No broadcast news, no sitcoms, no commercials.

It's put a whole new spin on the coming election, having to research for answers rather then having someone spoon feed then to me in 30sec ads.

GOOGLE RON PAUL!!
 

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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianBrave
No broadcast news, no sitcoms, no commercials.

It's put a whole new spin on the coming election, having to research for answers rather then having someone spoon feed then to me in 30sec ads.
Thats a pretty good idea, i like the way you think.

BTW, nice jingle walc, i think im going to go in a corner and cry now. LOL.

Bluemdsrt6, wasnt trying to justify slavery. Im just saying African Americans are in a better place now with a better quality of life. And im gonna get an intake as soon as i pay off the darn car! You still rollin' stock?
 

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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
BTW, nice jingle walc, i think im going to go in a corner and cry now. LOL.
As you probably know, the point of the song was to show how ridiculous all prejudices are.
Randy Newman used an obviously absurd prejudice to illustrate.
The true meaning, of the song, is:

" Short People are just the same
As you and I...
All men are brothers
Until the day they die..."
 
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 240M3SRT
Thats a pretty good idea, i like the way you think.

BTW, nice jingle walc, i think im going to go in a corner and cry now. LOL.

Bluemdsrt6, wasnt trying to justify slavery. Im just saying African Americans are in a better place now with a better quality of life. And im gonna get an intake as soon as i pay off the darn car! You still rollin' stock?

Cry 240m3srt................Cry those lil tears of yours. LOL


Just messin man, Can't help myself.
 

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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BlUEMDsrt6
Cry 240m3srt................Cry those lil tears of yours....
Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears....

96 Tears
? and The Mysterians



Allright. I'll stop with the songs.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by walc
Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears....

96 Tears
? and The Mysterians


Allright. I'll stop with the songs.
Heck, you got me (didn't know that was part of any song). I was just trying to mess with 240 some more.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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Valkryderguy, I think you nailed it . Maxwell just likes to stir the pot for his own enjoyment. Thanks Maxwell for getting me to wast my time reading this totally worthless thread.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 10:43 PM
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Valkryderguy, I think you nailed it . Maxwell just likes to stir the pot for his own enjoyment. Thanks Maxwell for getting me to wast my time reading this totally worthless thread.
So why are you reading it? No-ones holding a gun to your head.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 09:38 PM
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I still don't get the whole liberal and conservative name-calling thing. What the words actually mean and what people pretend they mean are often confused. A conservative does not want change and a liberal does... so why do conservatives go to war? Why do liberals want to uphold the status quo? I, myself, am an extreme reactionary. I feel we should go back to the way it was when our country was founded. But that was lost in translation somewhere by liberals and conservatives and now instead of dealing with the rights of men and businesses... We have people arguing over God and war. What about education? What about nation defense INSTEAD OF nationa offense?

We should really love America and change it for the better. Some guys with names like Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and their buddies didn't start a country of free men, free speech, and free religion so some red necks could shove Christianity down someones throat or some yuppies could falsely believe in some made up ideas about conservation. Everyone just really needs to start reading books and THEN form some opinions.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by alfdoc
Valkryderguy, I think you nailed it . Maxwell just likes to stir the pot for his own enjoyment. Thanks Maxwell for getting me to wast my time reading this totally worthless thread.
Well, you can clearly see, he hasn't been back since his original post. He's just kicking back watching the dirt being tossed around.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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I still don't get the whole liberal and conservative name-calling thing. What the words actually mean and what people pretend they mean are often confused. A conservative does not want change and a liberal does... so why do conservatives go to war? Why do liberals want to uphold the status quo? I, myself, am an extreme reactionary. I feel we should go back to the way it was when our country was founded. But that was lost in translation somewhere by liberals and conservatives and now instead of dealing with the rights of men and businesses... We have people arguing over God and war. What about education? What about nation defense INSTEAD OF nationa offense?

We should really love America and change it for the better. Some guys with names like Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and their buddies didn't start a country of free men, free speech, and free religion so some red necks could shove Christianity down someones throat or some yuppies could falsely believe in some made up ideas about conservation. Everyone just really needs to start reading books and THEN form some opinions.
It sounds like you have your thinking cap on pretty straight, but i have a few comments...

I dont think its an accurate description to say a conservative does not want change and a liberal does. More accurately a liberal wants more govt, more social programs, more spending(except on military), more rights for minorities(and i dont mean just racial). Conservatives generally want less taxes(but a higher % to fund military), less govt subsidised programs, etc.

Ever heard the saying apply liberally, or apply conservatively. Liberal means more and conservative means less. More govt, vs less govt.

You say you want to go back to the way the counrty was founded. Well it was founded under Christianity, and by the revolutionary war against the British. Some times we need a certain level of offense to ensure a good defense. We gotta have our noses in other peoples business so you dont look out the window one day and see Chinese tanks and soldiers doing door to door sweeps, or terrorist strikes on our soil daily. Its not an accident we havent been hit again since 9/11. Its because we have men and women EXACTLY where they need to be doing EXACTLY what they need to be doing.

Im not sure why you relate rednecks to Christianity, but without a basic common religion or at least CHRISTIAN LIKE MORALS i believe our morals will suffer and we will become DILUTED and perverted. Historians often compare USA to Romes once vast empire, which fell from within. Once we are no longer comprised of individuals working towards the same purpose with the same goals in mind we will fall too. It might be 50yrs, it mght be 200, but it will come.

As a whole we as a nation have become too comfortable and take our freedom and securites for granted. Maybe a war on our own soil threatening the very foundation we exist upon is exactly what we need to make people see that sometime a good defense consist of a good offense. But if it boils down to that then that means we failed to take care of our ****, and its probably too late.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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I was just generalizing about the Bible-beaters. I do belive our country was partly founded by Christian or Christian-like morals but a surprising number of our founding fathers were not Christian, at least not in the modern sense. In fact a lot of them didn't believe in the divinity of Christ or what have you. Of course I've been lucky enough to have known people of a lot of races and religions and find out that good people come in all kinds as do bad people. I really just advocate smaller government with a few major important government institutions and... of course... EDUCATION. An educated society is usually a just and prosperous one.

And I am one of those rare people who votes based on candidates, not party.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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Spent too much money on bombs and not enough in schools. I say close all the borders, bring all troops home, line them in the ports, airports, and borders. Announce to the world that the terrorists haven't won, but we will no longer pursue them. If anyone should attack us, then use nuclear means to eliminate them. people won't believe us, so it will take a few "examples" after awhile, people will get the idea.

Example: state by state, who has the least amount of violent crime? Texas. Almost everyone is armed so you don't know which house to rob, rape, etc. A lot easier to commit crime in a "safe" neighborhood.

Our military members for the most part (Can't please everyone) would much rather be on duty here as opposed to some other 3rd world $h1th0le where they can't see their families.

I believe in everyone knows right and wrong and everyone has a right to life. What you do with that life either revokes or keeps that right valid.

Just my thought.... I could be wrong...
 
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240MSRT - Very well stated. I totally agree with you.
 

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