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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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Go ahead, pizzaguy. Tell downwardspiral how you have made a 30-year career. As an EE, perhaps? No?
Downwardspiral's sarcasm was not directed at me, he knows the score.

As does Waldig. I refuse to lower myself to a teenage troll's level.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2011 | 08:53 AM
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As an EE I have to say I gotta leave this thread, I am afraid of guilt by association. Moore (6 posts on hyper bs ) talks like he knows something, the car he points out it a technical fraud and any uneducated enough to actually believe in it is stupid.

Need to find a more informed peer group. Free energy - as they say " THERE IS YOUR SIGN"

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There is free energy, if you can find a gas station where you fill before paying. Then drive it like you stole it, 'cos you did.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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I have had in my mind for a year now, being i only have a high school diploma,, i should not even think this but here is what i think,
a two part car, , part one electric front wheel drive, (#1) driving car,, not connected to part two electric rear wheel drive (#2 driving car ,, elect motor with generators, # 1 runs the car and charges # 2 , when the charge of the #1 system car drops below 25% charge(or whatever amount it takes to run a car) it would swap to # 2 system run the car and charge the system for #1 I i have a nice drawing of this and have turned it over to my account at Edison Nation and they are protecting me and doing all the investigating as to whether it can be done or not,,I got a call from Toyota about 3 months ago, and that's it.
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by amx1397
I have had in my mind for a year now, being i only have a high school diploma,, i should not even think this but here is what i think,
a two part car, , part one electric front wheel drive, (#1) driving car,, not connected to part two electric rear wheel drive (#2 driving car ,, elect motor with generators, # 1 runs the car and charges # 2 , when the charge of the #1 system car drops below 25% charge(or whatever amount it takes to run a car) it would swap to # 2 system run the car and charge the system for #1 I i have a nice drawing of this and have turned it over to my account at Edison Nation and they are protecting me and doing all the investigating as to whether it can be done or not,,I got a call from Toyota about 3 months ago, and that's it.
jim
How do you purpose that your car charges itself?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 12:36 AM
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look at it this way two cars welded together one FWD one RWD both elect,, the FWD car charges the RWD car as it drives,, lets say it will go 100 miles on a charge now when it is low charge then switch to the RWD car and do the same,and so on,,,,,and so on,,,,,and so on. i did not say it would work,,,my sample RC cars,A & B i tried it on did work and is still working ,,,I was told. jim
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by amx1397
I have had in my mind for a year now, being i only have a high school diploma,, i should not even think this but here is what i think,
a two part car, , part one electric front wheel drive, (#1) driving car,, not connected to part two electric rear wheel drive (#2 driving car ,, elect motor with generators, # 1 runs the car and charges # 2 , when the charge of the #1 system car drops below 25% charge(or whatever amount it takes to run a car) it would swap to # 2 system run the car and charge the system for #1 I i have a nice drawing of this and have turned it over to my account at Edison Nation and they are protecting me and doing all the investigating as to whether it can be done or not,,I got a call from Toyota about 3 months ago, and that's it.
jim
That's a fabulous idea, amx1397. Really clever.

If I were you, I'd take my entire life savings, cash in my 401(K), sell the house, borrow heavily from friends and family (don't tell them why) and invest it all in this remarkable concept. It's a sure winner, so you should pour all of your money into it as soon as possible to build a prototype.

You are certain to be the next Bill Gates. But only if you hurry, before someone else beats you to it.

It's all in the timing, you know. GO! Don't wait for Toyota.


PS: Watch out for moore and downwardspiral, tho, as they might try to steal your idea.
 

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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 07:52 AM
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yea just so you all know i had spinning center caps( the 3 point center caps) on my 1968 amx in 1969 and reinstalled them on my 2001 PT cruiser. I look for an old viedo of the pt. jim
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
PS: Watch out for moore and downwardspiral, tho, as they might try to steal your idea.
busy with my magnet car, no time for that bs
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 05:31 PM
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busy with my magnet car, no time for that bs
What if you used magnets to connect the front and back of his car though.

 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 06:21 PM
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I just tuned in to see if you all have solved this riddle yet.... Just like the now dead political thread... no progress to speak of... how similar the problem is... I'm thinking steam.... hot air might work...
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by oledoc2u
I just tuned in to see if you all have solved this riddle yet.... Just like the now dead political thread... no progress to speak of... how similar the problem is... I'm thinking steam.... hot air might work...
doc did u c my post?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 06:32 PM
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yes, your idea is interesting... I go by a body shop in Illinios where a guy welded two front wheel drive vans together. I stopped there one day to look at it. You can drive it in either direction...parade vehicle only...not legal for the road...lol So your idea has merit.... But cheap shots won't get the problem solved...
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 06:58 PM
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The work done to rotate the second set of electric motors would need to be provided by the primary motors, which are operating at less than 100% efficiency. Using the charging motors would be converting electrical energy to mechanical energy back to electrical energy, which works.. but is innefficient. You would be better off just one motor to power the car.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by amx1397
look at it this way two cars welded together one FWD one RWD both elect,, the FWD car charges the RWD car as it drives,, lets say it will go 100 miles on a charge now when it is low charge then switch to the RWD car and do the same,and so on,,,,,and so on,,,,,and so on. i did not say it would work,,,my sample RC cars,A & B i tried it on did work and is still working ,,,I was told. jim
You claim you tried tying two RC cars and created perpetual motion? Please, please, please tell me I have misread this.

Your idea will not work. It is the first thing any inventor worth his salt has tried and failed on. Your dragging a lot of weight around. plus the energy required to run your other wheels as a generator. Add the losses of transmission along the way, and you will get minimal recovery. In fact, you will likely burn more energy than retrieve in this manner. Making it a net loss. You would be far better off trying to limit weight and drag than trying to generate electricity by using electricity. Though the use of generating properties during braking is a good and novel way of recouping some usable/plausible energy.

Parasitic drag is your primary opposition. Maybe you could take your ideas into space. Very little drag problems in zero oxygen/gravity in outer space. Go on, I dare ya'.

One of the cooler ideas I've seen is the use of rising and lowering ocean tides to fill huge reservoirs. As the tide rises, the water rushing in runs generators. when the tide runs out the generators reverse and create energy as well. It is elegant in it's simplicity. And the closest you will ever find to a free ride. Charge your electric car from this, and there's your perpetual motion!!!
 

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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 07:46 PM
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You claim you tried tying two RC cars and created perpetual motion? Please, please, please tell me I have misread this.

Your idea will not work. It is the first thing any inventor worth his salt has tried and failed on. Your dragging a lot of weight around. plus the energy required to run your other wheels as a generator. Add the losses of transmission along the way, and you will get minimal recovery. In fact, you will likely burn more energy than retrieve in this manner. Making it a net loss. You would be far better off trying to limit weight and drag than trying to generate electricity by using electricity. Though the use of generating properties during braking is a good and novel way of recouping some usable/plausible energy.

Parasitic drag is your primary opposition. Maybe you could take your ideas into space. Very little drag problems in zero oxygen/gravity in outer space. Go on, I dare ya'.

One of the cooler ideas I've seen is the use of rising and lowering ocean tides to fill huge reservoirs. As the tide rises, the water rushing in runs generators. when the tide runs out the generators reverse and create energy as well. It is elegant in it's simplicity. And the closest you will ever find to a free ride. Charge your electric car from this, and there's your perpetual motion!!!
In late nineties Filipino inventor invented a car running by only pure water H20, the invention bought by big oil company. after several years its gone. now Philippine inventor invented a self charging electric sports car Gitano 111 self charging car - YouTube i hope it will success and go to mass production.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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In late nineties Filipino inventor invented a car running by only pure water H20, the invention bought by big oil company. after several years its gone..
Try posting something that makes sense, ok?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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In late nineties Filipino inventor invented a car running by only pure water H20, the invention bought by big oil company. after several years its gone. now Philippine inventor invented a self charging electric sports car Gitano 111 self charging car - YouTube i hope it will success and go to mass production.
This car runs on farts.. screw self charging
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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When reality finally sets in to the perpetuators of this thread, I hope the emotional scarring isn't permanent. In the meantime, tho, my bet is that BarbieGirl has the answer to perpetual motion. Hopefully she finds her stolen car, gets those darn portholes installed, and finds time to chime in.

Where oh where are you, BarbieGirl? We need your help.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by moore986100
In late nineties Filipino inventor invented a car running by only pure water H20, the invention bought by big oil company. after several years its gone. now Philippine inventor invented a self charging electric sports car Gitano 111 self charging car - YouTube i hope it will success and go to mass production.

This race car has more horse power than a stock Crossfire! I didn't understand a word of the video.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rush549
One of the cooler ideas I've seen is the use of rising and lowering ocean tides to fill huge reservoirs. As the tide rises, the water rushing in runs generators. when the tide runs out the generators reverse and create energy as well. It is elegant in it's simplicity. And the closest you will ever find to a free ride. Charge your electric car from this, and there's your perpetual motion!!!
Check out the proposals for the Bay of Fundy (Canada). Engineers have been kicking around proposals for the massive tidal flows there for decades. So far, not much has been built. But the energy potential is massive.
 
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