Are Young Enthusiasts Vanishing?
Here you go Professor :
Stock (73.95mm) : 25.31mm = 0.99645" (used pully with worn clutch plate)
Karmann (62.01mm) : 25.62mm = 1.00866" new never used
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Electricians.

If it's not Ohms law they are lost.
Thanks.
Now corrected....think it has alot to do with aging eyesight than anything else.
When I got my license I was super excited to try and trick out my dad's purple Dodge Neon or my Pontiac Bonneville or my Dodge Dynasty.. I just wanted to mod whatever I was in
I think we are seeing the decline of men in the business world and the rise of women. Women are well over 50% in universities and colleges, far to many men seem to have drifted to the wayside and they will have a rude awakening when they realize that immigrants and women hold the top jobs.
These guys want well paid jobs without going through the hoops required, They are content to sit idle, play video games and get drunk rather than learn anything, they are in for a big shock.
These guys want well paid jobs without going through the hoops required, They are content to sit idle, play video games and get drunk rather than learn anything, they are in for a big shock.
I can relate pretty well to this post age wise. Growing up my family was better off than most my parents and my step parents made very decent incomes and didn't spend every waking hour at work so for that I'm lucky! My dad tried for years to get me into sports and Boy Scouts all of which I had very little interest in. I think a lot of which was caused by the pressure from him making me do it versus me wanting to do it. I grew up in the video game era and I spent a lot of my child hood and in the winter months still spend a lot of time gaming. Gaming is a very a competitive sport for lack of a better word. I am into first person shooters and in order to win and be competitive it takes a lot of collaboration between you and your team mates its a very social experience. I blame gaming for my love of cars I started playing grand tourismo and NASCAR games when I was 7 and I have been hooked ever since. In the 5th grade I couldn't spell the word orange but I knew that a McLaren f1 did 0-60 in 3.2 seconds and had 618hp with a top speed of 243mph. I have had a subscription to road and track since I was 9! Some where in my parents attic lies a collection of plastic, die cast and matchbox cars that would rival jay Leno's collection. I don't feel like cars today are cool like they used to be; I blame that on the cost associated with them, and the fact that mpg is more appealing than HP and torque. Can one of you older gents tell me what a home say 1500sqft cost in 1970 and what a mid grade car cost. Today a new car is a third the price of house and carries an equal payment. Another factor is warranties you can hardly touch a new vehicle with a wrench without voiding the warranty on it and voiding the warranty on vehicle costing 30 grand is a pretty stupid thing to do IMHO.
I found some numbers accurate or not I'm not sure
Average price of a median home in 1970 was 23000 a new vehicle was 3700
Average price of a median home in 2010 was 184000 a new vehicle was 29000
Median income 1970 $9600
Median income 2010 $26000
Now I would have to say for the median income of 2010 it should be double because in most cases your spouse is also working.
Another factor not considered might be student loans I still owe 36000 of the original 68000 so that alone cost me 600 a month.
I found some numbers accurate or not I'm not sure
Average price of a median home in 1970 was 23000 a new vehicle was 3700
Average price of a median home in 2010 was 184000 a new vehicle was 29000
Median income 1970 $9600
Median income 2010 $26000
Now I would have to say for the median income of 2010 it should be double because in most cases your spouse is also working.
Another factor not considered might be student loans I still owe 36000 of the original 68000 so that alone cost me 600 a month.
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I gave $55k for my 1800 sqft ranch in 1981 at 13% interest. I gave $2700 for my used 1969 Z-28 in 1972. I don't remember the interest rate on the car, but the payments were $55.00 a month. Inflation....I would think so.
I totally agree with the subject and points made here. Youths today look for immediate gratification. The eletronics on today's cars are too expensive and complicated for them to be shade tree mechanics while Ipods and cell phones offer them escape for about $100/month or less if mommy and daddy have them on their plan.
I'm one lucky man... Franc knows this, as he's met my wife on a number of occasions. Not suggesting that our marriage is flawless, but it's realistic and comfortable. I appreciate Kim's frugality as much as she appreciates my work ethic. It certainly makes things easier... one less thing to argue about. 
Dave and Franc certainly gave their encouragement at several different meetings
Oh yeah, a total surprise, good thing she doesn't look at the forum LOL
Last edited by BoilerUpXFire; Apr 15, 2013 at 10:03 AM.
Just did some quick math.. errors not impossible.. lol..
But that Camaro looks like a $14,310.00 purchase at todays rates..
Last edited by Mrmiata; Apr 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM.
Thanks guys, I have been working on it for a while.
100 year old stone and completely custom Celtic designed ring, it took some time, but I know I have still waited too long already LOL
100 year old stone and completely custom Celtic designed ring, it took some time, but I know I have still waited too long already LOL
You're focused on the ring?
It sounds lovely and personal with the custom design,,,,but
Molly is the gem, another of which, you won't find if you looked for 100 years.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Apr 15, 2013 at 01:02 PM.
I think this article has some very interesting points about the future of automobile aftermarket and today's youth. I did not realize how much things have changed.
I am not quite 30 and I remember not sleeping for months before my 16th birthday and being there as soon as the BMV opened so I could get my license as soon as possible. Apparently that is no longer the norm....
Are Young Auto Enthusiasts Vanishing? | Specialty Equipment Market Association
I am not quite 30 and I remember not sleeping for months before my 16th birthday and being there as soon as the BMV opened so I could get my license as soon as possible. Apparently that is no longer the norm....
Are Young Auto Enthusiasts Vanishing? | Specialty Equipment Market Association
It may have to do with being raised these days in either an urban or rural environment.
Maybe?
I hate to say it since I'm basically from the generation that that article is talking about, but it's honestly pretty close to dead on. I think the only reason that I actually do things for myself is because my parents are older, in their 60's, and I'm 19. Just like with any parents, the kid will always look up and try to act like their parents, and that is why I think that I am different from most kids my age. I've gone through 3 cars, and each of them I have always enjoyed modding and working on. However, it's hard to find guys my age that actually enjoy working on or at least talking about cars. I wish that more people my age were more interested in cars, but I'm glad that I am, because boy are they fun. I thank my Dad for showing me what true hard work is, and of course all of the stories that he has with his fast muscle cars, a 1965, and 67 corvette, which he only paid $4000 for the pair in the 70's. But as for me, I've got a Crossfire as a hot rod, hah.
You humble us, Franc, thanks for the kind words
That is the best part about Molly and I, we have both known for a long time we were going to spend the rest of our lives together, but since we have to pay for the wedding, we wanted to get the house, garage, 3 cars, finished basement, etc. all taken care of so we could do it right 
As for the understood attraction,,,,,,,We can relate. Cathy and I both knew we would be together with in minutes of meeting. ( OK, she knew, I feared it. I got over it)
We met Christmas day. As it turns out,,,,Our first presents to each other.
We both hope you and Molly are equaly blessed.
Last edited by Franc Rauscher; Apr 15, 2013 at 05:05 PM.
I hate to say it since I'm basically from the generation that that article is talking about, but it's honestly pretty close to dead on. I think the only reason that I actually do things for myself is because my parents are older, in their 60's, and I'm 19. Just like with any parents, the kid will always look up and try to act like their parents, and that is why I think that I am different from most kids my age. I've gone through 3 cars, and each of them I have always enjoyed modding and working on. However, it's hard to find guys my age that actually enjoy working on or at least talking about cars. I wish that more people my age were more interested in cars, but I'm glad that I am, because boy are they fun. I thank my Dad for showing me what true hard work is, and of course all of the stories that he has with his fast muscle cars, a 1965, and 67 corvette, which he only paid $4000 for the pair in the 70's. But as for me, I've got a Crossfire as a hot rod, hah.
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