It is true, they are in business because they have a decnt product line and good advertising, A K&N filter will make a couple more hp over a stock paper filter but I'de rather have my engine oil contaminate free.

The proof that K&N is hard on engine life has been prooven. There are many oil analysis companies out there that have documented this. If you don't believe me do an oil analysis on two different cars, one with OEM paper filters and one with high flow K&N. looking at those reusable filters you can see way more porus opening for dirt to pass through. There is a reason why we use papre filters for cabin air filtration...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

 

Too labor intensive to read this early in the morning. It looks like the focus on filtration and not flow. which one flows the best? I have always like the K&N but I don't travel on any dirt roads either.

 

HE shows the OEM MAZDA paper filter did the best job of filtration, there is another link on flow comparision, where the K&N and AMSOIL outflowed the paper filters, no shock there.

 

I don't know why we are getting into filters right now. Second I welcome anyone who is TRYING and i say that loosely to bring more after market performance parts for these cars. There has been tons of research that the stock filters are very restrictive we all know that. There are dozen of theards on here and on MB world that have shown k&n out perform GREEN. Although I have green filters and believe in them just as much the numbers are as shown on dynos and track.

K&N filters, (13.4360 @ 104.58)
Green filters, (13.4602 @ 103.93)
stock filters. (13.9038 @ 101.60)

Second that filter placement has already been addressed as a bad location. You have to remember if you really want to get into this your not building cars for Texas where it hardly rains and never snows. Third that side of the engine Is not a good placement as well I have already built an intake system and that side of the engine is junk for hood closure. The hood can be closed but there is slight rubbing. The other side is perfect in every way.

I know someone is going to come after me and probably a few threads later HDDP for chasing all the new business away but it is starting to look like if you want something done the right way you need to do it yourself.

 

You need to lower the elbow legs to allow for proper clearance. The way my Intake is set up ther has been 0 rubbing for the entire time the system has been on the car.

As far as the weather I live in NJ and drive the car on a regular basis. If you live in NJ you know that the passed few weeks have been pretty wet, and nothing has affected the filter yet.

Jonnyangel04, I applaud you for your intake design, but unless the filter is located outside of the engine compartment, you will be losing HP ther is no doubt about it. I will pay for the dyno tests to prove this.

As far as creating an intake to maintain the stock covers, you will run into a few problems. One, in order for the cover to stay in you would need to either use the stock air box for filter routing, which due to the design restricts flow in comparison to a 3" pipe. The other option is to move your MAF and throttle body connecter to allow for a pipe to be run under the cover on the right side. You would still need to leave the stock tubes hooked up though or it would look wrong. Then you will have essentially three intake tubes, with only one being functional.

I personally feel that if you want to maintain the engine cover look that you powdercoat the manifold. It will allow for a beter intake, cleaner engine compartment, and a completely unique look.

Ok upon looking closer, it seems that for the base and limited models you may be able to adapt an srt-6 engine cover to still retain the look. The SRT-6 will not need to remove the cover. If this is a deal breaker, we may be able to include new covers (painted to your liking) with the intakes.

 

This guy doesn't even know his right from left (read the first sentence). He appears to be a self proclaimed oil guy, what ever that is, why is he talking about air filters? He isn't claiming to be the air filter guy. Also I browsed through the article and didn't read anywhere where he referenced oil contamination.

That note about getting oil on the MAF sensor and causing it to fail is B.S. too. K&N submerged a MAF sensor in their oil to prove that it [the oil] will not cause the sensor to fail. The result? Read here for the answer.

http://knfilters.com/MAF/massairfindings.htm

http://knfilters.com/MAF/massairpledge.htm

 

I think we should start another thread on this subject elswhere instead of thread jacking this guy. As for, "bob the oil guy" it is a chat forum not an individual person. The test was done by a forum member.

look if I can see holes in K&N cotton airfilter = silica and dirt entering the engine. believe what you want, what are you a K&N sale rep or something, jeeze! lol
just do an oil change on two cars, install the OEM filter on one and a cotton oiled filter on the other, put fresh oil in them and drive for 5000 miles and send in 2 oil samples for testing. Then you can believe what you want.

 

That was my old crossfire and yes the elbow was too high. I have now have SRT6 and I plan to run the one that I had set up on the left of that picture with another piece to put it right up behind the grille. I will post a how to or will sell them for around $300. I think I will have much better luck with the SRT then i did with my ltd I had some codes trip and I was running rich its hard to get the MAF positioned right where as with the SRT we don't have to worry about the MAP.

Enough talk about intakes and filters lets hear about these pulleys are they going to be for the LTD or the SRT.

 

The pulleys will be for the N/A engine first and the srt-6 second. I currently have a N/a car at my disposal, so it is easier to fab up parts. Once everything starts taking off I will be using an srt-6 in the area for fitment and prototype parts.

But again about your intake, which ever design you go with you need to locate the filter past the point that the stock tubes ingested air, or it won't add additional HP. Look at Needswings intake. If they thought in the engine compartment would suffice, why go through the extra trouble of relocating the horns and routing the filter into the grille area? It'e because the change in temperature between those two points is significantly different.

I switched from a dual filter set up similar to yours to the one I have now and picked up 3/10's in the quarter with a 2 mph increase in trap speed. Even the stock set up netted better results then the dual filter set up.

 

ok since the filter issue was brought up what about the aem dry flow filters since it will have a cone filter i pressume? and as far as the needs wings im iffy about its location although its in an ideal spot for cold air wouldnt water be a bit of an issue? as in rain? or am i the only person who drives there car in the rain? this intake gathers its air from the same area as most other cold air intakes its shielded from debris and direct water saturation. further more imo water saturation is a bigger problem to me then filter oil in my intake. just my 0.02

EDIT: when can i get mine?????

 

The intakes will be available some ime next week. They are being offered in Polished aluminum and black Jet Hot Coated.

As far as the rain issue, there isn't one. The filter is set back from the grill and unless you go through a puddle that submerges it, I see no way of it getting wet. Just an example of how safe this placement is, look at STS rear moun turbos. Their filter is literally outside and much closer to the ground. Yet, there hasn't been any problems of hydro locking or water damage. Plus the filters are coated in oil which is hydrophobic (water doesn't mix), that alone provides you with protection from the occassional sprinkle of water.

Fear not, the products are safe and Iwon't sell anythin unless it's been on my car and I know it works.

Pulleys up next...

 

no im not scaredc ill cut anything on my car i was commenting that i preferred the placement you have over the needs wings i will still add an aem bypass and dryflow filter regardless of what you ship lol. whats the price on this?

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Pricing is looking to be between $300-$350 depending on coating or polishing. This will be retail price. I will be offering member discounts in the neighborhood of 15-20%, but don't quote me on this yet.

Once I receive all the quotes back I will have a better idea of where pricing will lie. I'm going to the dyno this weekend, and if decent results are not produced, I'll have to redesign. I do not believe in selling a product that doesn't perform.

I'm shooting to give a very competitive HP/$ ratio!

 

thats in the ball park of an aem or injen

 

Yes it is and I don't believe they make one for our cars, do they?

The only way to make it more affordable is to offer it in a two pipe system with a rubber coupler. The Custom one piece bending is where the huge cost is coming from. A two piece design would be around the $250.00 mark, if not lower with demand.

 

If you make it I will buy....looking for the biggest boosting pulley that will work with a flash....also
Intakes are for srt6?

 

I am definitely interested if you come back with some interesting HP returns. I will be looking forward to your dyno.

 

Dude, you weld worse than I do !

 

Actually that weld was after a professional saved my poor attempt at doing it. My pipe had a hole in it... But that's why we have trained professionals to do this. My specialty is not welding, so I'm staying away from that part. The intake will be one solid piece though.

 

Ignoring the nasty weld job, I think it looks alright, yet it would be more professional if you continued the bend in the pipe and got rid of the silicone elbow. get the metal pipe to mate up flush with the throttle body, that would make it a little better quality piece, so what if it cost more, charge people anoth $100 but make it look Euro quality! not a hillbilly hack. keep up the good work.

remember, why would anyone spend $300 on this if they can make the same thing out of $25 in 4" ABS pipe from Home depot. I'ts gotta shine and look good for a car show.