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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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to tell you the truth, your better off installing a cheap eaton supercharger like in the Chuck norris thread, instead of wasteing your time building a turbo set up, because you will not be making anymore Hp due to the high compression. The only Hp gains will be from less engine drag from a turbo.

the only way to take advantage of the turbo is by lowering your N/A pistons compression ratio, so you can turn the pressure up. so unless you are able to pull the pistons, just stick with a low boost supercharger set up.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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Base Crossfire:

SLK320

SRT6:

SLK32 AMG

There is nothing on these cars from the C320/C32. Nothing.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxwell
to tell you the truth, your better off installing a cheap eaton supercharger like in the Chuck norris thread, instead of wasteing your time building a turbo set up, because you will not be making anymore Hp due to the high compression. The only Hp gains will be from less engine drag from a turbo.

the only way to take advantage of the turbo is by lowering your N/A pistons compression ratio, so you can turn the pressure up. so unless you are able to pull the pistons, just stick with a low boost supercharger set up.
Sorry you are misinformed.If your logic was true then the supercharger wouldnt work either. I am personally not a supercharger fan. THe compression on our car is 10:1 the same. Less Compression as my b18c1 in my civic. SO by your logic all the turbo civics running around with stock compression arent making any more power. Its just not true. With higher compression you risk detontation. That is the problem not that it doenst make power
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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i say go for it. i just hope you can keep us onlookers informed because it seems some of the other turbo prospects have faded away into oblivion very quickly.

Maxwell,
i would have to agree with GatorLCA that the only turbo crossfire that has been physically mounted had terribl ECU problems and doesn't make anymore power than the N/A. From what I understand it is basically a glorified show car at this point...

RESULT of the ENDEAVOUR
http://www.hotimportnights.com/cars/...1UJN73B011B346

or search SPEEDMAX on the forums for more info...


again, good luck sodamhot. please keep us updated
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Based on what I've read about attempting to add Turbo to a Crossfire, I'd be shocked if you actually got it to work reliably. That said, I wish you the best of luck on the project. Please keep us up-to-date on your progress. We'll be pulling for ya!

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First of all the lack of aftermarket support for our car is fustrating to say the least. ANywya with that said I have made a final decision on what I am going to do with my car. I was back and forth with trying to find a srt engine, No2 and just basic bolt ons but i think the Rear mount turbo is my best bet. I just bought a used t70 from a friend. So it not just talk anymore I am in the mix I have a friend of mine in a shop who can help me fab up the piping. I am goign to do a electic oil pump with a dedicated resivor. For tuning I am going to run the AEM FIC I have a guy here who can seat tune it for me. It wont be perfect but it will be better than nothing. So besides that it is a pretty simple setup. IC, BOV and a forgot which wastegate I had on this manifold. I ill uprgrade the injectors and thats about it. I will also be sellign my barley used borla exhaust so if anyone has any offer I am listening
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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Yeah, have fun with the ECU

But really, my first post was not meant to be discouraging.. just the fact that there have been so many "I have all the right connections i'll keep you guys updated i'm going to turbo my crossfire" posts and then never heard from again..
 
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Old Jul 7, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nox1s
Yeah, have fun with the ECU

But really, my first post was not meant to be discouraging.. just the fact that there have been so many "I have all the right connections i'll keep you guys updated i'm going to turbo my crossfire" posts and then never heard from again..
LOL....I'm still waiting for Maverick to come back and report how great his electric supercharger worked?!!
 
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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the ecu problem is solvable.. remove it
the only thing can bus are the traction control and the esp.. both of which are not needed
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a standalone can run our cars and keep all of the stock amenities, ac clutch, fan switch, etc
all of the gauges will work (you just have to know the voltage reference tables)
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by apkano
LOL....I'm still waiting for Maverick to come back and report how great his electric supercharger worked?!!
I have this plan to take the motor out of a dyson vacuum cleaner...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite
the ecu problem is solvable.. remove it
the only thing can bus are the traction control and the esp.. both of which are not needed
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a standalone can run our cars and keep all of the stock amenities, ac clutch, fan switch, etc
all of the gauges will work (you just have to know the voltage reference tables)
have you worked on Mercs before, you sound like you think you know what your talking about! hahaha
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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I not getting into this one, but I am glad someone remembered Maverick...good luck with your turbo kid...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite
the ecu problem is solvable.. remove it
the only thing can bus are the traction control and the esp.. both of which are not needed
\
a standalone can run our cars and keep all of the stock amenities, ac clutch, fan switch, etc
all of the gauges will work (you just have to know the voltage reference tables)
That's what i thought too but talk to HDDP about how intermingled the electronics are on these cars and it'll spin you in a circle. I'm all someone trying to make it work and I am in the process of procuring an AMG engine out of a CL55 and running it on a Motec but right there, you're lookin at a cool 15 grand and there is nothing cool with that. At that point, you must absolutely love the look of the car(Which btw, I do. Have wanted one since i saw the first mockups of it. IF you can find one that is super cheap, still in good condition, someone to buy the 3.2L and then beef everything up, good to go. Can't throw copious amounts of boost at this thing though because you're gonna play "will it blend" with the internals of your engine with the higher compression ratio. Remember, the two engins might both have forged internals but they are definitly not the same.

I applaude your ideas and hope you can get them to work. I knwo the route I'm going is going to involve lots and lots of breadboards and home made controllers. Not to hard but how ya gonna make that wing go up on it's own at or above 55?

Good luck and post everythign you figure out so we all know what's going on.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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I can get a motec cheaper LOL
There's no need for a motec. Haltech does the Same as the unit he has for less
Electronics are simple. Edu recieves signals from the motor. Outputs signals to run the motor and the gauges.
Its just getting it all right
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite
I can get a motec cheaper LOL
There's no need for a motec. Haltech does the Same as the unit he has for less
Electronics are simple. Edu recieves signals from the motor. Outputs signals to run the motor and the gauges.
Its just getting it all right
Working with electronics my whole life, the theory behind it is easy but in practice, it's so much more difficult. Yes you could run a haltech for the 6. I guess if you really wanted to, you could run one for an 8 as well but the options aren't there for that kind of application. I'd be interested in speaking with you about getting a motec on the cheap though as I heard they got out of selling cheap before their first product ever hit the market. They do know their stuff though and when it comes to getting everything setup, that is what matters most. Now if you are only looking to throw a turbo on there and bump the boost up to say 9-10psi, you need to make sure you are running really good gas and that you NEVER run into a lean condition. I'm defintly not one of those guys that says just go buy an SRT6 and be done with it because I can't leave anythign untouched myself so go about it and do your research. You need to get in touch with HDDP as he has done part of this and may be able to lead you in the right direction for some things.

Good luck
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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yes.. theory and practice are quite different
from what i can tell, the crank and cam position sensors should be a motronic signal, as the motronic ecu has its own goofy way of doing things

at that point its getting the ignition set up.. i'll just set both plugs to fire at the same time.
and then its building the turbo setup and tuning...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite
yes.. theory and practice are quite different
from what i can tell, the crank and cam position sensors should be a motronic signal, as the motronic ecu has its own goofy way of doing things

at that point its getting the ignition set up.. i'll just set both plugs to fire at the same time.
and then its building the turbo setup and tuning...
please please please please let us know how this goes.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2008 | 11:08 PM
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i will
im tossing numbers around right now

im still paying the note on the car... 580 a month
plus i have a racecar sitting in the garage i need to finish... plus my mom would really like to see it rolling... or destroyed
so i may just focus on paying the crossfire off and finishing my 240 before i pull another running car apart
(3 down, 2 run, lol)
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinite
the ecu problem is solvable.. remove it
the only thing can bus are the traction control and the esp.. both of which are not needed
\
a standalone can run our cars and keep all of the stock amenities, ac clutch, fan switch, etc
all of the gauges will work (you just have to know the voltage reference tables)
The CAN bus is the pathway for RPM, Accelerator Pedal Position, Secondary Restraint System (Airbags), Wheel Speed Sensors, Steering Angle Sensor, along with others. Having been in accidents with airbag deployment, I'd like to keep this.

My source on this is VBOX in Buckingham, United Kingdon MK18 1TF
Justin
 

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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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nevermind lol
 

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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 04:10 PM
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Ms is cheap but it has low resolution tuning maps. 16x16 vs aems 32x32

if you're serious about making power you need a standalone. The stock gauges can be replaced with a digital dash similar to the aim unit.

I still don't get why you guys are so hung up on keeping everything stock. The value of our cars gets lower everyday. Pretty soon they'll be priced like a civic. It's just a car. If you want to make power and go fast, the stock **** needs to go.
 
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