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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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Default Cam & crank sensors

Can anyone explain why engines have both a crankshaft position sensor AND a camshaft position sensor? Why do we need both?

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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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They both send signals to the ECM reporting that the cam and crank are in proper timing. The crank goes around twice to the cam one revolution. Therefore when the crank is number 1 up (TDC or top dead center), the ECM needs to know ignition or exhaust on the cam position.

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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:14 PM
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Thanks, James. That makes sense. I figured since the crank turns the camshaft, they're never going to get out of sync. But, you're right; if the #1 piston is all the way up, what part of the cycle is it? Thanks again.

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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Default Re: Cam & crank sensors

Originally Posted by 6000rpm
Thanks, James. That makes sense. I figured since the crank turns the camshaft, they're never going to get out of sync. But, you're right; if the #1 piston is all the way up, what part of the cycle is it? Thanks again.

Tom G.
either exhaust or compression, depending on where the cam is
 
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 6000rpm
they're never going to get out of sync.
On GM anyway, it doesn't take much between the two sensors being off, to throw a code. A badly worn timing chain/and/or gear could do it as well.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:49 PM
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Feedback for the variable cam timing?
 
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 08:52 PM
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Feedback for the variable cam timing?
I am not up on the latest technology, but is variable timing mechanical? I just figured electronic. Now you have me curious how they do it mechanical.

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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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Cam timing 101.
This guys voice could put an insomniac into a deep sleep.
Variable CAM Timing - YouTube
There are others to view if you search.

I am not aware that we have variable cam timing though.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:36 AM
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So how did all those old cars ever run so well in their day without all this BS technology we now have today
 
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
So how did all those old cars ever run so well in their day without all this BS technology we now have today
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

180, thanks for the video, but I fell asleep. He sounds like a computer voice.
 

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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VALKRYDERGUY
So how did all those old cars ever run so well in their day without all this BS technology we now have today
They did run well, they just used more gas and emitted more pollutants. Remember all the great smells at the Woodward Dream Cruise?

James
 
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