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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 07:47 AM
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help please my wife has an 05 crossfire that will not start. we had to have it towed home the other day. it has done this before and i changed the the pcm and it fixed the problem. so now the radio works windows etc but i will not crank at all no starter engagement. so now im wondering if the rcm went bad again although i did resolder the old one and still nothing. so im thinking maybe the crank sensor or ???? also can anyone tell how to check the crank sensor with basic electrical tools. thanks for the help
 

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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 09:06 AM
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check fuse # 37 --no start. start/stop, but radio, windows, seats, locks, and spoiler works.
 

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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 09:13 AM
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where are you located in Florida? if in SW Florida i might be able to help with scanning it for you to get you going in the right direction.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 10:59 AM
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How old is your battery?
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 11:10 AM
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Many times the relays in the RCM wear out, it is not always the solder joints. Either send it to tighend or buy a replacement for about 130.00. An inexpensive place to start.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 11:22 AM
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thx will do
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 11:24 AM
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maybe 2 yrs old
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 12:05 PM
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thx will do
You can open up the RCM and see how the contacts look.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 04:14 PM
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A bad crankshaft sensor will keep it from starting but it will not stop the starter from engaging and turning the engine over.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2019 | 11:48 AM
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thx fuse 37 is good as are all fuses in the car
 
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Old Aug 11, 2019 | 11:49 AM
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thx that is very helpful to know
 
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Old Aug 12, 2019 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ZERACER
Many times the relays in the RCM wear out, it is not always the solder joints. Either send it to tighend or buy a replacement for about 130.00. An inexpensive place to start.
Ditto: ZERACER...search tighed1 and/or look for his e-mail address.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 02:45 PM
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thx for all the help but still no crank. lights seat windows etc work, battery checked and is good replaced the rcm today and still nothing. so now im stumped if anyone has any ideas id love to hear them. I have no crank no nothing under the hood like it wants to start. thx again
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 02:52 PM
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If its a manual transmission you could think about the clutch switch
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by garys383
thx for all the help but still no crank. lights seat windows etc work, battery checked and is good replaced the rcm today and still nothing. so now im stumped if anyone has any ideas id love to hear them. I have no crank no nothing under the hood like it wants to start. thx again
I'm having the same problem and am discussing it in a different thread. I still need to have the battery checked but if that checks OK I'll be in the same boat as you. That said, I'd like to see if I am getting the same voltage checks as you.

In the front of the same box as the RCM is connector C106. That connector has a wire in it that comes from the pulse module and energizes the starter - it is in position 6 of C106 (there are a total of 8 positions in this connector but only 6 are used). The "socket" side of that connector goes to the starter (Engine Side) and the "pin" side comes from the pulse module (Engine Compartment Side). You can take a piece of 14GA wire and make a jumper (I used 12GA ROMEX) and jump from "socket" #6 to the positive post on the battery and your starter should engage - that will prove your starter is good.

Then, with a DVM, read the voltage on "pin" #6 when the key is turned to the start position - it should be 12+ volts and should hold that voltage for a few seconds. Mine only has voltage for about a half of a second. Can you check your voltage there and see what you are getting?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 03:42 PM
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thx for the info gonna go try this now
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 04:13 PM
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do you have a picture of c106 and what color is the #6 wire. my voltage checker is not working
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 04:26 PM
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do you have a picture of c106 and what color is the #6 wire. my voltage checker is not working
Look at this thread - Post #11
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...n-t-start.html
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 04:53 PM
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so i jumped #6 to the positive side of the battery and nothing, no starter engagement but it did have a small spark at the battery. so can i assume that the starter is bad?
 
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Old Aug 14, 2019 | 05:39 PM
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so i jumped #6 to the positive side of the battery and nothing, no starter engagement but it did have a small spark at the battery. so can i assume that the starter is bad?
That's a possibility or it could be the wire going to the starter. Do a continuity check on the wire before throwing parts at it. Also, check the ground side of the starter (continuity check) to make sure you've got a good ground. I've seen others on here say that a bad starter on these cars are rare.

We're you able to get a voltage reading and duration from the "pin" in the #6 position when the key is turned to start?
 
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