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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 11:03 AM
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if the car does not start and would like to get it jump started, i have been warned by pizzaguy of what to do:

" 1) Do not jump start another vehicle with your Crossfire.
2) Only jump start your Crossfire with a booster battery - NOT another vehicle, tow truck or plug-in booster. "
( i wonder what he meant by plug-in booster?)
thank you very much. great advice.
now, could any1 provide details on how to do that with a booster battery?
what kind of battery is it? where to get it? at the moment?
link? video? thanks
or if nobody has 1, then what?
 

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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 11:34 AM
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I would think the best bet for a booster would be one of those lithium starter batteries sold by NOCO (check Amazon) or the like. I have a lead acid booster starter from harbor freight. It has a few other features like USB ports, lighting and tire inflator. I'm sure Walmart has something similar with options.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 12:15 PM
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Default Re: no start-booster battery?

recently got a post duplicate because something went wrong with the system and now tried to send a message responding to yours but does not show. i hope now it does:

thank you for your advice and links.

(i hope pizzaguy reads this and tells his opinion about my doubt regarding the use of these boosters).
now i just need to learn how these boosters are connected so there is no conflict with his advice.
 

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Old Oct 2, 2019 | 06:14 PM
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got this response from pizzaguy:

The way to jump it is with a "Booster Battery" - not by jumping from another car with jumper cables. Using another car and jumper cables can potentially damage the ECM, BCM and other "brain type" modules.
so we can use booster batteries like those suggested by gwheels. great!
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 05:23 AM
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could any1 provide details on how to do that with a booster battery?
video?
there is this way: https://www.autosimple.com/blog/how-...-jump-starter/
does any1 think this is the way to do it? any objection?
or it has some flaws and better do it other way? if so, which way?
thanks
 

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 06:45 AM
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Pizzaguy is right. Just get an external battery booster and carry it with you for great piece of mind. It's fast and easy. I have had
this one this one
for a couple of years, and it's been great. Very compact, too.
 

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 09:23 AM
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thank you very much.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
could any1 provide details on how to do that with a booster battery?
video?
there is this way: https://www.autosimple.com/blog/how-...-jump-starter/
does any1 think this is the way to do it? any objection?
or it has some flaws and better do it other way? if so, which way?
thanks
You're asking the right question. Boosters have the large alligator style clamps like regular jumper cables.

There is a safe way to connect to your battery but I think the biggest part of that safety is minimizing the creation of a spark around the gas produced by a charging battery. Having said that; you should connect to the positive post of your battery first and a good grounded place on your chassis or engine last. You can connect to the negative battery post (like I do) but the recommendation is the former method.

Note: Your booster probably has an on/off switch. You should have the booster off before connecting. My booster has a tag that gives the correct procedure. If you do a quick internet search on "safe battery boosting" you can verify and be safe. Hope this helps..
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
if the car does not start and would like to get it jump started, i have been warned by pizzaguy of what to do:

" 1) Do not jump start another vehicle with your Crossfire.
2) Only jump start your Crossfire with a booster battery - NOT another vehicle, tow truck or plug-in booster. "
( i wonder what he meant by plug-in booster?)
A plug-in booster is a module that plugs into the 120 Volt electrical outlet and produces a high current 12 to 14 Volt supply to bolster a weak battery. They can produce overvoltage spikes that can (and will) damage the electrical & electronic systems in post-2000 autos. The other recommendations won't.
 

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 01:24 PM
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Default Re: no start-booster battery?

thank you gentlemen. great advice.
my doubt is regarding this: " Only jump start your Crossfire with a booster battery"
does it mean that the current delivered by the booster is not as high as the 1 from another car, so this way there is no overload that may damage something? (or not so much chance to do so?)
it is the only way i understand why using the booster is ok but not the other cars.
what do you think?
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ambidextrous
A plug-in booster is a module that plugs into the 120 Volt electrical outlet and produces a high current 12 to 14 Volt supply to bolster a weak battery. They can produce overvoltage spikes that can (and will) damage the electrical & electronic systems in post-2000 autos. The other recommendations won't.
i interpret what you say, or are trying to say, as this:
1- " A plug-in booster is a module that plugs into the 120 Volt electrical outlet and produces a high current 12 to 14 Volt supply to bolster a weak battery."
(produces a high current, but not too high)
2-then: "They can produce overvoltage spikes that can (and will) damage the electrical & electronic systems in post-2000 autos. The other recommendations won't. "
(i think that when you say "they", you mean: "the other cars batteries", right?)





 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
thank you gentlemen. great advice.
my doubt is regarding this: " Only jump start your Crossfire with a booster battery"
does it mean that the current delivered by the booster is not as high as the 1 from another car, so this way there is no overload that may damage something? (or not so much chance to do so?)
it is the only way i understand why using the booster is ok but not the other cars.
what do you think?
Other cars may produce unwanted voltage spikes. Some years ago, a friend who operated an alternator & starter shop advised me to never use my car to jump-start another car, to avoid damaging mine. Some time later, I offered a jump start to a very attractive lady, and had to take my car to his shop to replace my damaged alternator (with internal regulator). He was right! Since then I have not jump-started another vehicle, explaining that I was "late for a doctor's appointment". It's a cruel world...
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 01:57 PM
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regarding unwanted voltage spikes...
considering your experience, if it happens to you again, maybe tell her the truth, (that it will damage your car), but can give her a ride to wherever she is going.
i would not leave a girl (especially 1 very attractive) stranded. would you?
and you will not feel remorse but will have a good time, even if only by having her company for a while.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
i interpret what you say, or are trying to say, as this:
1- " A plug-in booster is a module that plugs into the 120 Volt electrical outlet and produces a high current 12 to 14 Volt supply to bolster a weak battery."
(produces a high current, but not too high)
2-then: "They can produce overvoltage spikes that can (and will) damage the electrical & electronic systems in post-2000 autos. The other recommendations won't. "
(i think that when you say "they", you mean: "the other cars batteries", right?)
No, I was commenting specifically on the plug-in boosters.

The other cars' batteries are not the culprit - they cannot produce voltage spikes; but the other cars' electrical systems can & will produce voltage spikes that are potentially damaging to other cars.

To sum it up, voltage spikes are the bad guys; and voltage spikes may result in excessive currents in your electronic modules.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by phil alvirez
regarding unwanted voltage spikes...
considering your experience, if it happens to you again, maybe tell her the truth, (that it will damage your car), but can give her a ride to wherever she is going.
i would not leave a girl (especially 1 very attractive) stranded. would you?
and you will not feel remorse but will have a good time, even if only by having her company for a while.
Thank you, Phil, that's a great idea! How about this: "I can't give you a jump start, because it may damage your car or mine, but lock your car and hop in while we go to my place and get a booster battery."?

(It may take a while to find the booster...)
 

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 03:27 PM
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So, if I jump start my car from another car, but don't have the other car running, I should be OK ?
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maggy55
So, if I jump start my car from another car, but don't have the other car running, I should be OK ?
I believe that is true, Maggy; but you should seek more talented counsel on this.

I got involved in this thread because Pizza Guy (the unchallenged expert) is away from home at the tail of the dragon. He will know if your idea is safe.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by maggy55
So, if I jump start my car from another car, but don't have the other car running, I should be OK ?
this is from post 4:
got this response from pizzaguy:

"The way to jump it is with a "Booster Battery" - not by jumping from another car with jumper cables. Using another car and jumper cables can potentially damage the ECM, BCM and other "brain type" modules. "
 
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 07:49 PM
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Maggy is correct, if you use a battery from another car just make sure you have them shut their vehicle OFF. Or, go ahead and buy one of those PORTABLE boosters and use it PER THE INSTRUCTIONS. That way you cannot go wrong.


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