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Old Nov 3, 2021 | 01:23 PM
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Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I’m in Ontario, Canada. I have a 1940s era tin garage with a dirt floor. I’m sure there’s lots of mice who take refuge in there each winter. They are my main concern.
I plan on leaving hood up, with motion detector lights above it, with lots of traps, and a mouse deterrent machine. It emits a frequency that irritates their ears.

I put a vapour barrier down over the dirt floor, followed by a few old large area carpets.
I plan on going in to start the car and check my mouse traps every few days.

I think k I’ll leave the cover off it, so as to not provide darkness that rodents enjoy.

I will look for the highest test gas, like 94, to put in with the stabil.

So much to learn. Thank you everyone who’s chimed in with ideas.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2021 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Deepsea21
Remember that long ago the old, original STA-BIL was primarily just plain old ethanol with red coloring with some cleaning additives added to it. It was added to pure gasoline prior to storage back then (before we ended up with this ethanol blended crap) to absorb water/condensation that could form in a tank of gas if stored for a while and end up in the pure gasoline where it would not mix with the gas and could be sucked up and pumped through fuel injectors and carbs and into the cylinder and such where water causes serious problems. Since ethanol is already in today's fuels and bonds with water, water building up in stored fuel in the tank is no longer a problem. However, because we now have gas that contains 10%+ ethanol we have a far more serious problem because we are no longer adding a cup of ethanol to an entire tank of pure gasoline to stabilize it but we now have a gallon of that ethanol crap for every 9 gallons of gas in the tank and at that level it ATTRACTS moisture and causes gumming and crud and a pile of problems. So the question is, "Should we use 'fuel stabilizer' these days if we now have ethanol already in the fuel?". The answer is yes but not for the reason we used to use stabilizer that was to absorb water. Now we need it to combat all of the gunk and gumming this ethanol crap creates. So, you can use STA-BIL but today it is nothing more than cleaning solvents to fight the gumming. Its red form is the common form and the green marine form simply doubles the amount of cleaning solvents because ethanol gas used in boats tends to sit longer than gas in car so the added cleaning it provides is better. However, the recommended amounts of STA-BIL to use are quite low because years ago STA-BIL couldn't come out and tell people they now had to use more then they did in the past. So, long story short, if one is going to store their car with ethanol blended fuel in it I say don't screw around with STA-BIL. Put an entire bottle of Sea Foam in the tank (the whole 16 ounces), top it off with gas, drive it around for a while to get it through and system and then forget about it. You'll be getting way more protection due to the amount of cleaning agents you are adding compared to a few squirts of STA-BIL. Sea Foam blows away every other brand of fuel system cleaner on the shelf and has for decades... Everything else is garbage and a waste of $ in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.

The above being said, if I were to park my XF knowing I wouldn't be driving it for over a year, I would run the tank to almost empty (E on the gauge without running out of gas), add (2) 16 oz. cans of Sea Foam and then fill the tank with 100% pure gasoline (if you have stations that sell it in your area) until the pump cuts off. At that point the tank is full and the fuel has started up the fill pipe creating back pressure that cuts the flow off automatically at the handle . Drive it straight home and park it. You get virtually no water condensing in a tank that is full and you don't have that ethanol crap gas sitting in there for an overly extended period.
I too endorse SEA-FOAM.

It also works in diesel.


Also, I have had luck dumping it into fouled small engine carbs, Let it sit overnight, engine starts. No breakdown of the carburetor.

Small engines suffer ethanol more than auto engines. Great rescue tool if you encounter one that has been stored too long or without stabilizer.

 

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Old Nov 3, 2021 | 02:03 PM
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This was surprising to read from drive.ca

For those of you looking for safeguards against the ravages of ethanol-blended gasoline, there are a number of precautions you can take. The first is that you can simply avoid it in the first place. According to Dan McTeague, a noted petroleum analyst, Shell and Esso 91 are both ethanol free. All other grades from the companies have some ethanol content, but the mid-grade blend is pure gas, which means it not only corrodes less than ethanol blends, but is less likely to deteriorate when stored. Don’t be misled into thinking higher octane gas contains less ethanol. In fact, it has more! The octane rating of pure ethanol is 100, but when it’s blended with gasoline, it performs as if it’s 112. In other words, higher-octane blends — Petro Canada’s 94 and Esso’s 93 — use more ethanol, not less.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2021 | 08:28 PM
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Find a race shop or someone that races a late model or big block modified put some 110 octane, sea foam and sta-bil in the tank and you won't have any issue not starting it at all till spring. Beside to run it enough to cycle the mixture through the entire fuel system. Sea foam and sta bil at half the recommending mixture
 
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Old Nov 3, 2021 | 10:33 PM
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Ok will look into that. Thank you!!!
 
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Old Nov 5, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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The use of Star Tron if any fuel with ethanol was present in the tank in the riding season. It is also a verry good fuel stabilizer. Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment Gas Additive Small Engine (starbrite.com)

Sea Foam to stabilize and to clean fuel system. XF is not in use for 6 Months each Year. Motor is shut off in mid November for the last time. First start after Winter is in mid April.

Some time I use both of them together . . .

Daniel
 

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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 07:57 PM
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The can/bottle will have The mixing recommendations on it. I do half or a little less of each that is recommended per gallon.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2021 | 08:27 PM
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Ok great, I’ll do the same.

I am more worried about keeping rodents away.

Thanks for the input.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 08:30 AM
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Dryer sheets. I kid you not. Put some inside the car, and in the engine bay. Can't use too many. Rodents do not like the smell, but we do!
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 09:40 AM
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I tried them with my trike.........they used them to make a nest....
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephie69
Ok great, I’ll do the same.

I am more worried about keeping rodents away.

Thanks for the input.
Reposting this here as well... If stored in a garage make sure there is mouse bait in the garage too kill those pests. If stored outside under cover make sure there is mouse bait somewhere in the interior and under the hood. You won't believe how fast mice will make a home out of a parked car. I found a big old mouse nest made of pink fiberglass insulation down in my XF engine compartment when I had to pull the battery for replacement. Obviously it was parked somewhere close to accessible insulation for an extended period of time at some point. I also found a mouse nest inside a box inside my construction trailer that was parked about 10 yards from my house made of pink fiberglass insulation. Glad they took up residency there with my home's insulation instead of inside my walls. USE MOUSE BAIT! They eat it, it dehydrates them and they go looking for water and die somewhere else.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2021 | 08:10 PM
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I’ll look for some at Canadian Tire.

Thabks so much for sharing!
 
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