New Wheels in, need help
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From: SouthTX
Re: New Wheels in, need help
Originally Posted by maxcichon
Just to make you feel better, I am running:
19 X 8.5" 35 mm Offset front wheels, 235/35 X 19" 10 mm spacer (25 mm effective offset)
20 X 9.5" 35 mm Offset rear wheels, 275/30 X 20 15 mm spacer (20 mm effective offset)
Eibach Sport springs, Adjustable rear arms (I made them
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Doing the math (crayon and matchbook time!)
You'll need 20/25 mm spacers in front to make it like mine (23/18 mm effective offset).
You'll need 20/25 mm spacers in back to make it like mine. (23/18 mm effective offset).
You adjust/massage the spacer thicknesses, but I think they come in 5 mm increments.
Mount the tires-Measuring the wheels hanging in space really doesn't help. The suspension swings out a bit in extension.
What you have should work with correct spacing. My rears were tucked in a bit before lowering-now they're as close to flush as possible. Check my gallery.
19 X 8.5" 35 mm Offset front wheels, 235/35 X 19" 10 mm spacer (25 mm effective offset)
20 X 9.5" 35 mm Offset rear wheels, 275/30 X 20 15 mm spacer (20 mm effective offset)
Eibach Sport springs, Adjustable rear arms (I made them
)Doing the math (crayon and matchbook time!)
You'll need 20/25 mm spacers in front to make it like mine (23/18 mm effective offset).
You'll need 20/25 mm spacers in back to make it like mine. (23/18 mm effective offset).
You adjust/massage the spacer thicknesses, but I think they come in 5 mm increments.
Mount the tires-Measuring the wheels hanging in space really doesn't help. The suspension swings out a bit in extension.
What you have should work with correct spacing. My rears were tucked in a bit before lowering-now they're as close to flush as possible. Check my gallery.
Looking at your pics, your front wheels with a 25mm effective offset don't stick out past the fenders like mine are looking with an effective 23mm offset (43mm with 20mm spacer), and this is only a 2mm difference. The fact that I don't have tires and not sitting on the ground has got to be giving the false illusion....
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From: Whitewright,Texas
Re: New Wheels in, need help
Front clearance:
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Plenty of room for the caps:
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Rear clearance at closest point of contact, Suspension compressed as much as we could by rest the control arm on a floor jack and then pushing up and down on the body to try to settle the suspension:
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Rear clearance at shocks:
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Side view of the rear using 12mm spacer with 35mm offset.Control arm is on the jack with suspension compressed.Somehow managed to get my finger in the way
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Side shot to show how how far I was able to compress the suspension. Looks like it would actually sit a little higher in the wheel well. My car is not lowered by the way. Texas roads are bad enough as it is up in my area!
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Plenty of room for the caps:
CD0C188B.jpg
Rear clearance at closest point of contact, Suspension compressed as much as we could by rest the control arm on a floor jack and then pushing up and down on the body to try to settle the suspension:
F055C69C.jpg
Rear clearance at shocks:
05D2C9A7.jpg
Side view of the rear using 12mm spacer with 35mm offset.Control arm is on the jack with suspension compressed.Somehow managed to get my finger in the way
AEEF6D15.jpg
Side shot to show how how far I was able to compress the suspension. Looks like it would actually sit a little higher in the wheel well. My car is not lowered by the way. Texas roads are bad enough as it is up in my area!
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
@James1549...That's funny! Good lord the things people do to cars! That ranks right up there with the plywood ground effects kit!
JesseJames..I know I must have been tired yesterday when I typed that message. I have 32mm offsets in front not 35mm as I mentioned earlier. Sorry! I had "35mm shank lugbolts" on the brain all afternoon!
I know how you feel about the lack of offsets for our cars, I got tired of feeling like I was stuck choosing from the slim pickens of Mandrus wheels! After scouring these forums for days I decided to do what so many others here have done and stuck to my gut that I knew I could make it work regardless of what the wheel retailers kept telling me. Stinking BMW's get all the great wheel/offsets.
Got the rears on and took a few picks. Everything fits fine. I have to admit I was worried that the 295's were going to bulge and look horrible. Glad I took a chance on them. Sadly, I cannot find a set of 35mm conical lug bolts for the fronts anywhere locally. I'll just order a set online today, So they will have to wait till after the weekend.
Hopefully JesseJames will be able to get his full set on soon and go out and enjoy them on the road! It's been over a month since I've driven my 6 and I gotta tell you the wifes Charger is nice but, That hemi's exhaust note has got nothing on the whine of the supercharger nor the fun factor that comes with owning something so unique as a Crossfire!
Specs are
Fronts: 18x8.5 32mm offset. No spacers needed but you need shorter bolts for the front with a 35mm shank. It appears the threads in the front hub taper and I'm unwilling to take a chance and tap them straight through and end up with loose lug bolts over time.
Tires are: 235/40/18 Conti Extreme DWS's
Rears: 19x9.5 35mm offset using H&R 12mm Hub centric spacers.(23mm effective offset)
I'm using 40mm shank conical lug bolts WITH the 12mm spacers. They run into the hub a hair more than the stock ones did(I used anti seize on the threads for the sole purpose of checking thread engagement in the hub for both the stock wheels and the TSW's). Check for the dreaded e-brake click and all is well!
Rear tires are 295/30/19 Conti Extreme DWS's
I should mention that the 235/40/18's are on closeout at Tire rack. So it looks like I may go up to a 255/35 next year if there are no more of them left.
So here's a little motivation for JesseJames! Who has superb taste in wheels I might add.
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JesseJames..I know I must have been tired yesterday when I typed that message. I have 32mm offsets in front not 35mm as I mentioned earlier. Sorry! I had "35mm shank lugbolts" on the brain all afternoon!
I know how you feel about the lack of offsets for our cars, I got tired of feeling like I was stuck choosing from the slim pickens of Mandrus wheels! After scouring these forums for days I decided to do what so many others here have done and stuck to my gut that I knew I could make it work regardless of what the wheel retailers kept telling me. Stinking BMW's get all the great wheel/offsets.
Got the rears on and took a few picks. Everything fits fine. I have to admit I was worried that the 295's were going to bulge and look horrible. Glad I took a chance on them. Sadly, I cannot find a set of 35mm conical lug bolts for the fronts anywhere locally. I'll just order a set online today, So they will have to wait till after the weekend.
Hopefully JesseJames will be able to get his full set on soon and go out and enjoy them on the road! It's been over a month since I've driven my 6 and I gotta tell you the wifes Charger is nice but, That hemi's exhaust note has got nothing on the whine of the supercharger nor the fun factor that comes with owning something so unique as a Crossfire!
Specs are
Fronts: 18x8.5 32mm offset. No spacers needed but you need shorter bolts for the front with a 35mm shank. It appears the threads in the front hub taper and I'm unwilling to take a chance and tap them straight through and end up with loose lug bolts over time.
Tires are: 235/40/18 Conti Extreme DWS's
Rears: 19x9.5 35mm offset using H&R 12mm Hub centric spacers.(23mm effective offset)
I'm using 40mm shank conical lug bolts WITH the 12mm spacers. They run into the hub a hair more than the stock ones did(I used anti seize on the threads for the sole purpose of checking thread engagement in the hub for both the stock wheels and the TSW's). Check for the dreaded e-brake click and all is well!
Rear tires are 295/30/19 Conti Extreme DWS's
I should mention that the 235/40/18's are on closeout at Tire rack. So it looks like I may go up to a 255/35 next year if there are no more of them left.
So here's a little motivation for JesseJames! Who has superb taste in wheels I might add.
D76CC79A.jpg
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From: SouthTX
Re: New Wheels in, need help
Wow your wheels look incredible! Nice job picking out the style
, color, and offsets; really goes with your car. You have the first xfire with tsw max's. It turned out very sharp! Thanks for posting up specific info and sharing pics, it has really helped.
Mike, I can't believe you already have the arms and links finished! You work fast. I don't think I am going to need to borrow your spacers. I will order a set of 12mm to fit the fronts. Thanks again and I can't wait to get all of this together!
Now I am just waiting on cross drilled rotors and spacers. I have to order 12mm for the front, figure out the center cap issue for the front and find a machine shop to turn my 20mm spacers down to 15mm for the rear.
, color, and offsets; really goes with your car. You have the first xfire with tsw max's. It turned out very sharp! Thanks for posting up specific info and sharing pics, it has really helped.Mike, I can't believe you already have the arms and links finished! You work fast. I don't think I am going to need to borrow your spacers. I will order a set of 12mm to fit the fronts. Thanks again and I can't wait to get all of this together!
Now I am just waiting on cross drilled rotors and spacers. I have to order 12mm for the front, figure out the center cap issue for the front and find a machine shop to turn my 20mm spacers down to 15mm for the rear.
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
Christ Almighty. I guess I should have sharpened my crayon and used a new matchbbok.
The one from the titty bar had some phone numbers in it. If you had used those numbers I posted, Tiffany would have changed your life!
But, she would not have been much use with your wheel fit. Like me!
Duh. Sorry!
The one from the titty bar had some phone numbers in it. If you had used those numbers I posted, Tiffany would have changed your life!
But, she would not have been much use with your wheel fit. Like me!
Duh. Sorry!
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Just wanted to keep my motivation and bump these!
Update, well not really, still waiting on SS brake lines and the correct length lug bolts from Discount. I ordered the orange TPMS senosors that arrived, dropped the wheels and sensrs off at Discount and they are mounting the tires. I went with 245 in the front instead of 235. I am holding off for now lowering and putting MikeR's hardware on until I can get everything rolling. 12mm spacers are in and on the front, 15mm spacers are in and on the rear. HID headlight install almost complete, CF fabric headliner installed. All the silver trim (strakes, windsheild trim, door handles, and grill) removed and at paint shop being painted in matte black to match wheels. Motul brake fluid in and gravity bleeding.
I am just ready to get her on the road!
Update, well not really, still waiting on SS brake lines and the correct length lug bolts from Discount. I ordered the orange TPMS senosors that arrived, dropped the wheels and sensrs off at Discount and they are mounting the tires. I went with 245 in the front instead of 235. I am holding off for now lowering and putting MikeR's hardware on until I can get everything rolling. 12mm spacers are in and on the front, 15mm spacers are in and on the rear. HID headlight install almost complete, CF fabric headliner installed. All the silver trim (strakes, windsheild trim, door handles, and grill) removed and at paint shop being painted in matte black to match wheels. Motul brake fluid in and gravity bleeding.
I am just ready to get her on the road!
@James1549...That's funny! Good lord the things people do to cars! That ranks right up there with the plywood ground effects kit!
JesseJames..I know I must have been tired yesterday when I typed that message. I have 32mm offsets in front not 35mm as I mentioned earlier. Sorry! I had "35mm shank lugbolts" on the brain all afternoon!
I know how you feel about the lack of offsets for our cars, I got tired of feeling like I was stuck choosing from the slim pickens of Mandrus wheels! After scouring these forums for days I decided to do what so many others here have done and stuck to my gut that I knew I could make it work regardless of what the wheel retailers kept telling me. Stinking BMW's get all the great wheel/offsets.
Got the rears on and took a few picks. Everything fits fine. I have to admit I was worried that the 295's were going to bulge and look horrible. Glad I took a chance on them. Sadly, I cannot find a set of 35mm conical lug bolts for the fronts anywhere locally. I'll just order a set online today, So they will have to wait till after the weekend.
Hopefully JesseJames will be able to get his full set on soon and go out and enjoy them on the road! It's been over a month since I've driven my 6 and I gotta tell you the wifes Charger is nice but, That hemi's exhaust note has got nothing on the whine of the supercharger nor the fun factor that comes with owning something so unique as a Crossfire!
Specs are
Fronts: 18x8.5 32mm offset. No spacers needed but you need shorter bolts for the front with a 35mm shank. It appears the threads in the front hub taper and I'm unwilling to take a chance and tap them straight through and end up with loose lug bolts over time.
Tires are: 235/40/18 Conti Extreme DWS's
Rears: 19x9.5 35mm offset using H&R 12mm Hub centric spacers.(23mm effective offset)
I'm using 40mm shank conical lug bolts WITH the 12mm spacers. They run into the hub a hair more than the stock ones did(I used anti seize on the threads for the sole purpose of checking thread engagement in the hub for both the stock wheels and the TSW's). Check for the dreaded e-brake click and all is well!
Rear tires are 295/30/19 Conti Extreme DWS's
I should mention that the 235/40/18's are on closeout at Tire rack. So it looks like I may go up to a 255/35 next year if there are no more of them left.
So here's a little motivation for JesseJames! Who has superb taste in wheels I might add.
JesseJames..I know I must have been tired yesterday when I typed that message. I have 32mm offsets in front not 35mm as I mentioned earlier. Sorry! I had "35mm shank lugbolts" on the brain all afternoon!
I know how you feel about the lack of offsets for our cars, I got tired of feeling like I was stuck choosing from the slim pickens of Mandrus wheels! After scouring these forums for days I decided to do what so many others here have done and stuck to my gut that I knew I could make it work regardless of what the wheel retailers kept telling me. Stinking BMW's get all the great wheel/offsets.
Got the rears on and took a few picks. Everything fits fine. I have to admit I was worried that the 295's were going to bulge and look horrible. Glad I took a chance on them. Sadly, I cannot find a set of 35mm conical lug bolts for the fronts anywhere locally. I'll just order a set online today, So they will have to wait till after the weekend.
Hopefully JesseJames will be able to get his full set on soon and go out and enjoy them on the road! It's been over a month since I've driven my 6 and I gotta tell you the wifes Charger is nice but, That hemi's exhaust note has got nothing on the whine of the supercharger nor the fun factor that comes with owning something so unique as a Crossfire!
Specs are
Fronts: 18x8.5 32mm offset. No spacers needed but you need shorter bolts for the front with a 35mm shank. It appears the threads in the front hub taper and I'm unwilling to take a chance and tap them straight through and end up with loose lug bolts over time.
Tires are: 235/40/18 Conti Extreme DWS's
Rears: 19x9.5 35mm offset using H&R 12mm Hub centric spacers.(23mm effective offset)
I'm using 40mm shank conical lug bolts WITH the 12mm spacers. They run into the hub a hair more than the stock ones did(I used anti seize on the threads for the sole purpose of checking thread engagement in the hub for both the stock wheels and the TSW's). Check for the dreaded e-brake click and all is well!
Rear tires are 295/30/19 Conti Extreme DWS's
I should mention that the 235/40/18's are on closeout at Tire rack. So it looks like I may go up to a 255/35 next year if there are no more of them left.
So here's a little motivation for JesseJames! Who has superb taste in wheels I might add.
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
I got sick and tired of waiting on the SS brake lines and put everything together today with the stock lines. I sprayed the poor dirty thing off and drove around the neighbor hood for a few miles. Have the MikeR adjustable links and camber arms but as you can see haven't been adjusted yet.
I ended up with 12mm spacers on front (TSW Max wheel 19 X 8.5 with 43mm offset) equals effective 31mm offset and 245/35ZR19 and had cut not one full coil off but more than 3/4 coil as well as cutting 1" off the shock bumpers. I had 3 dot spring pads stock left as is for now.
15mm spacers on back (TSW Max wheel 20 X 10.5 with 40mm offset) equals effective 25mm offset and 285/25ZR20 and cut 1 full coil off as well as cut 1" off the shock bumper. I had 2 dot spring pads stock left as is for now and installed MikeR adjustable camber arms and sway bar links.
I installed new brakes so I was setting them in too and trying to listen for anything rubbing but only noticed the rear right in a deep pot hole and the front on hard brake after acceleration. I have about a credit card clearance between the inside top front tires and the upper control arm bolt.
I will put it back up tomorrow and re-torque everything and look for tire slicing and/or rubbing and better align the rear camber. Rides pretty smooth but I didn't have enough experience driving before all the suspension and tire/wheel mods to know any different. Driving with full left and right turns forward and backwards with no rubbing that I could hear.
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I ended up with 12mm spacers on front (TSW Max wheel 19 X 8.5 with 43mm offset) equals effective 31mm offset and 245/35ZR19 and had cut not one full coil off but more than 3/4 coil as well as cutting 1" off the shock bumpers. I had 3 dot spring pads stock left as is for now.
15mm spacers on back (TSW Max wheel 20 X 10.5 with 40mm offset) equals effective 25mm offset and 285/25ZR20 and cut 1 full coil off as well as cut 1" off the shock bumper. I had 2 dot spring pads stock left as is for now and installed MikeR adjustable camber arms and sway bar links.
I installed new brakes so I was setting them in too and trying to listen for anything rubbing but only noticed the rear right in a deep pot hole and the front on hard brake after acceleration. I have about a credit card clearance between the inside top front tires and the upper control arm bolt.
I will put it back up tomorrow and re-torque everything and look for tire slicing and/or rubbing and better align the rear camber. Rides pretty smooth but I didn't have enough experience driving before all the suspension and tire/wheel mods to know any different. Driving with full left and right turns forward and backwards with no rubbing that I could hear.
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
Thanks. looks better in the daylight, I'll post better pics later on.
How are you liking your setup? Any updates? Still rub free?
How are you liking your setup? Any updates? Still rub free?
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
Thanks guys.
Took the wheels off tonight and found rub marks under the front fender towards the front and a little at the outside fender at the very top. I think I am going to get thicker spring pads for the front. Credit card clearance at the upper control arm bolt with no rub marks.
Back had small rub marks at the inside fender wheel well towards the top front. I also saw were the sway bar is contacting the adjustable camber arms just like Airscape was having. I left the links at 7 1/4". I can hear when they hit while driving. It is when one wheel goes up and the other down when the sway bar link is under load.
What is the best way to guess how much to turn the adjustable camber arms without having to do it, check it, adjust it, check it, etc.... After sriving around to settle the springs a framing square (in garage with level foundation) measured 1 1/2" space at the top of the 20" wheel -camber.
Took the wheels off tonight and found rub marks under the front fender towards the front and a little at the outside fender at the very top. I think I am going to get thicker spring pads for the front. Credit card clearance at the upper control arm bolt with no rub marks.
Back had small rub marks at the inside fender wheel well towards the top front. I also saw were the sway bar is contacting the adjustable camber arms just like Airscape was having. I left the links at 7 1/4". I can hear when they hit while driving. It is when one wheel goes up and the other down when the sway bar link is under load.
What is the best way to guess how much to turn the adjustable camber arms without having to do it, check it, adjust it, check it, etc.... After sriving around to settle the springs a framing square (in garage with level foundation) measured 1 1/2" space at the top of the 20" wheel -camber.
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Re: New Wheels in, need help
I want to put MB AMG wheels on my srt.. I understand that there is an offset problem when attempting to do this and the use of spacers must be used.... Are there AMG wheels that are agailable that will directly replace the factory STR wheels. I don't like the idea of having to use a spacer and trying to keep the wheels true running ... Any help ??????
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From: Whitewright,Texas
Re: New Wheels in, need help
I really need to get the camber taken care of in the front and get the alignment done ASAP. I broke my hand last week, So I've been working on other things now likd replacing the stock siren(dying cricket sound) and finishing up my audio system finally. I can't drive for a few more weeks at least. So I've got lots of time to work on all the "little things" right now.
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Broken hand? I had a few of those when I was younger along with some great stories.......
Are you getting the K Mac kit? I am debating on getting a set of those or for another $100 getting the supercooler...... I am becoming restless watching the elders stack and juice.
I have a new noise from the back that I can't trace down. It is a mteal on metal noise and sounds like something is loose after the MikeR arms and links. My sway bar was contacting the camber arms so I extended the links out 1 full turn but the noise is still there. I can't find anything loose either. I need to get it back up on jack stands and take another look.
My wife took it to crossfit the other day and she loves it. Ha, sold for more mods!
Are you getting the K Mac kit? I am debating on getting a set of those or for another $100 getting the supercooler...... I am becoming restless watching the elders stack and juice.
I have a new noise from the back that I can't trace down. It is a mteal on metal noise and sounds like something is loose after the MikeR arms and links. My sway bar was contacting the camber arms so I extended the links out 1 full turn but the noise is still there. I can't find anything loose either. I need to get it back up on jack stands and take another look.
My wife took it to crossfit the other day and she loves it. Ha, sold for more mods!
