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Old Oct 13, 2018 | 10:13 PM
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Just got a 2004 Crossfire. Bought a set of winter rims with a 5x112mm bolt pattern as I was told would fit. Well, they do not. The pattern on the hubs/rotors is smaller. Like a 5x106. This is both front and rear. What gives? I have done a search here and did not find what my problem could be?

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Old Oct 13, 2018 | 11:00 PM
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The bolt pattern is indeed 5x112mm. Could it be a hubcentric issue or perhaps you got the wrong wheels?
 
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Old Oct 13, 2018 | 11:08 PM
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Thank you for the reply. It is not a hub centric issue, the the wheels sit flush on the rotor/hubs, but the bolt pattern on the hub/rotor does not measure wide enough to be 5x112. The wheels i want to put on measure perfect 5x112(not to mention they say 5x112 on the inside), but the bolt pattern on the car is not 5x112. And the wheels on the car are factory Crossfire wheels, but on the inside they do not say what pattern they are.

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Old Oct 13, 2018 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MadMav
Thank you for the reply. It is not a hub centric issue, the the wheels sit flush on the rotor/hubs, but the bolt pattern on the hub/rotor does not measure wide enough to be 5x112. The wheels i want to put on measure perfect 5x112(not to mention they say 5x112 on the inside), but the bolt pattern on the car is not 5x112. And the wheels on the car are factory Crossfire wheels, but on the inside they do not say what pattern they are.

Mav
5-Lug bolt pattern is harder to measure because the holes aren't right across from each other. On the 5 bolt, we measure from the back of one hole and then to the center of the third hole. As was mentioned, yes,we are 5-112mm. Not really sure what's going on with you there. Have you tried to install the winter tires and they don't fit?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 12:06 AM
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Quite familiar with measuring 5 lug cars as I have a few. The winter tires are the ones on the wheels that say 5x112 and measure out the same. It’s the factory ones that aren’t as they should be. Very weird that nobody has ever had this issue.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 12:53 AM
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We have a 5x112, what I got when I ordered my aftermarket wheels, they where 5x114.3 and redrilled to a 112.
what did the your wheels come off of that are for the winter tires ?
unless the other wheels have a larger hub and are sitting lower and make seem to not fit, and are your other wheels conical ball or cone ?
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MadMav
Quite familiar with measuring 5 lug cars as I have a few. The winter tires are the ones on the wheels that say 5x112 and measure out the same. It’s the factory ones that aren’t as they should be. Very weird that nobody has ever had this issue.
Are you the only X-Fire with odd hubs and matching odd patterned wheels? Pic.'s , or it never happened.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 12:23 PM
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I will get pics Mon or Tuesday. Got a winter storm blowing through now. It is a very odd situation.

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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Serious bolt pattern issue

Originally Posted by dinasrt
5-Lug bolt pattern is harder to measure because the holes aren't right across from each other. On the 5 bolt, we measure from the back of one hole and then to the center of the third hole. As was mentioned, yes,we are 5-112mm. Not really sure what's going on with you there. Have you tried to install the winter tires and they don't fit?
I cannot see how that can work, you measure from centre to centre of two adjacent studs, your way would have different sizes for different stud diameters.
The 112 is the diameter in millimeters of the circle upon which the holes are equispaced, 3, 4, 5 whatever.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 05:25 PM
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Guessing that compensates the "off center" of a 5 lug pattern..
 
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmiata

Guessing that compensates the "off center" of a 5 lug pattern..
What about different size studs or threads? This type of measurement would come with a chart showing different stud or hole sizes, different measurements for each size of hole or stud and what the PCD is for that measurement.
The 112 is the pitch circle diameter.
Half the distance between two adjacent hole or stud centres divided by a constant = the PCD, the constant would be based on the angle between the holes, which in this case is the sine of 36°.

Here is how to get the PCD in inches. Measurement A could be over one or two of the studs or holes with a correction to give the PCD.
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Old Oct 14, 2018 | 10:43 PM
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Mav.....Where in CO are you? I'm in Denver and could match up wheels I have against your hubs.
 
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