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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:21 PM
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Dear fellow x-fire fans,
I have had a few electrical issues with my 2006 RHD (UK) roadster that I've lived with for longer than I ought. As a mechanical engineer, I am ashmedly pathetic with anything electrical/electronic.
1. I have a constant battery drain (noting a significant flash - much more than the norm, when connecting the battery), which results in a flat battery if the car is not used for a week or so. I am suspicious of an afterfit reversing camera, but this is only based on 'gut'.
2. My young son was messing around with the cigar lighter some time ago, which caused the socket to no-longer function. Having checked fuses, there is no failed fuse as far as I can see.
3. Probably more significant, the seat motors do not function. Bizarely they 'spark to life' every so often. This means that I can't swap cars with my wife, as her feet don't reach the pedals! Again, no failed fuse as far as I'm aware.
4. The Infinity stereo unit occasionally goes on strike, and then remarkably comes to life again. Sometimes it works, but is not controlable, which can be embarrasing if the volume was previously set high for a heavy rock blast, when picking up the mother-in-law!

I am happy to invest in an expert to fix these issues, if this is what's needed. I live in UK midlands, if there are any recommendations for an auto-electrition that can be recommended. Ideally a mobile expert.

I have struggled to obtain a wiring diagram for the car (RHD, as mentioned) that represents the under-bonnet fuse box. If anyone can point me to something that might be applicable, it would be appreciated.

Any guidance would be appreciated!
 
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Uriah
Dear fellow x-fire fans,
I have had a few electrical issues with my 2006 RHD (UK) roadster that I've lived with for longer than I ought. As a mechanical engineer, I am ashmedly pathetic with anything electrical/electronic.
1. I have a constant battery drain (noting a significant flash - much more than the norm, when connecting the battery), which results in a flat battery if the car is not used for a week or so. I am suspicious of an afterfit reversing camera, but this is only based on 'gut'.I have written a procedure to measure and track down how much current is flowing and where it is flowing to - you can simply do the tests and find the culprit, or keep guessing and guessing - most prefer to just keep guessing. I will try to find my post here on the forum for you.
2. My young son was messing around with the cigar lighter some time ago, which caused the socket to no-longer function. Having checked fuses, there is no failed fuse as far as I can see. In all cars, as far as I know, there is one fuse that powers the lighter and glove box light. It is powered only with the key "ON", unless you do my mod. It's location varies but it's a 15 amp in the box under the engine hood. The owner's manual AND the card on the bottom of the fuse box lid will tell you which one it is. If the glove box light comes on, then the socket itself or the lighter is bad.
3. Probably more significant, the seat motors do not function. Bizarely they 'spark to life' every so often. This means that I can't swap cars with my wife, as her feet don't reach the pedals! Again, no failed fuse as far as I'm aware. If both seats refuse to work, then work for awhile, then quite again, you need a new power seat relay.
4. The Infinity stereo unit occasionally goes on strike, and then remarkably comes to life again. Sometimes it works, but is not controlable, which can be embarrasing if the volume was previously set high for a heavy rock blast, when picking up the mother-in-law! YOu can chase this if you want to, but the OEM unit was always crap. I'd replace it with a modern head unit, the Marine ones made by Kenwood/JVC are a good color match. It can be the amplifier but it's usually the head unit.

I am happy to invest in an expert to fix these issues, if this is what's needed. I live in UK midlands, if there are any recommendations for an auto-electrition that can be recommended. Ideally a mobile expert.

I have struggled to obtain a wiring diagram for the car (RHD, as mentioned) that represents the under-bonnet fuse box. If anyone can point me to something that might be applicable, it would be appreciated. The service manuals here on the forum all have diagrams that are pretty close. Some fuse locations and functions changes over the production run of the car, but most didn't.

Any guidance would be appreciated!
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:43 PM
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Use the search function at the top of this page, most if not all of these issues have been addressed in the past. In my opinion the battery drain is probably the alarm siren under the cowl in front of the windshield. The only way to narrow it down for sure is to pull the fuses and with an ammeter see when the voltage drops or spikes. Do you have an owner's manual, there are fuses in several areas. I will attach a link to manuals and lots of info.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:44 PM
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Here is more info
Index of Crossfire problems and repairs - CrossfireForum - The Chrysler Crossfire and SRT6 Resource
 
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Uriah
Any guidance would be appreciated!
CLICK THIS LINK:
https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum...ery-drain.html

If you take the car to any garage, it is about certain they wont' be able to fix battery drain. THis one is on you, READ THE ENTIRE THREAD before you start.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 05:45 PM
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All great info from pizzaguy.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pizzaguy
I answered inline, too tired to put in any more effort.
Too tired?
What do we pay you for then?
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Old Sep 9, 2022 | 09:29 AM
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From One (rare) UK Crossfire owner, to another...

1. Is the Reversing camera tapped into the rear lighting (reverse light)? You might have to remove some rear trim panels to locate the cameras wiring and isolate it (disable it - to see indeed if this is significantly contributing to the problem). Or if it's wired back to a Fuse box - pop out the fuse and see if this reduces the drain.
Plus how do you view its video feed? An aftermarket screen up front or some other method? Perhaps that is wired to a permanent live (could be another potential power drain).

2. Concerning the cigarette lighter. Does the glove box light work? If not, change fuse number 31 in the engine bay fuse panel. If you've checked other fuses, might be a dead socket! That you would pull out and replace. If you get to it's wiring, you can at least put an electrical tester on its contacts to confirm it's got power.
Also, could there be physical damage to the socket or the lighter you plug in, hence its not mating properly and operating? If a child has been playing around with it.

3. Faulty Power Seats Relay (main culprit). The relay is located behind the firewall. Plus the operation of the electric seats does matter if the doors are open or closed (apparently)! Mine is the same actually, the controls on the side of the seat sometimes work, other times nothing!

4. Perhaps try re-seating the Connectors in the back of the stereo? Quick spray with a contact cleaner might be a good idea too. If issues persist, might be time to relace that Infinity (or upgrade)!

With the internet, there are so many car websites that provide guides on troubleshooting electrical issues / "parasitic battery drain". Also there is youtube as well. Plus the advice can be applied to all motor vehicles generally. You shouldn't need to pay someone to resolve these issues, if you are methodical and follow the guidance here, plus that you find online...
As stated above, if there's an issue with the Crossfire, it's most certainly been brought up on this Forum in the past. Search for it and you'll find how others have resolved faults.

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Old Sep 9, 2022 | 12:52 PM
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Thanks guys. Great to have these responses. I will certainly be following up on the suggestions and will post back with what I find.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 04:44 PM
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Please don't post a problem in multiple threads, it causes problems and does not get your question answered any faster.
I answered this post in "Convertible Top Sensors". --- Pizzaguy
 

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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 06:25 PM
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Thank you so much.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 06:47 PM
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Thank you so much. Not too many XF's in the UK now. One pulled out behind me recently and it was a thumbs up out of the window and a V-6 howl as we sped off in different directions! You don't get that with too many car owners, and it was a nice moment!
I take note of your suggestions, Rather than getting a wife with longer legs (joke!). I found this on Ebay and I'm hoping that it will fix the seating problem. I'll let you know how I get on,,,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362999838...3ABFBMnpPcl-Vg
 
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Uriah
Thank you so much. Not too many XF's in the UK now. One pulled out behind me recently and it was a thumbs up out of the window and a V-6 howl as we sped off in different directions! You don't get that with too many car owners, and it was a nice moment!
I take note of your suggestions, Rather than getting a wife with longer legs (joke!). I found this on Ebay and I'm hoping that it will fix the seating problem. I'll let you know how I get on,,,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362999838...3ABFBMnpPcl-Vg


There are a number of 'electric seat' fault issues here in the forum posts with solutions as listed. One suggests a bad diode in the seat relay. As I just gave you the one instance, finding out what is causing the seat(s) issue is important to solving the problem. I have no idea what you're going to do with this ebay item but wiring in something like this might cause you more problems. Unless that relay is an exact replacement you're going to cause a huge can of worms (especially wire worms) and just might cause more electrical problems. Good luck in whatever you do, I hope it solves your problem with the seat issue. Check the forum document collection for the issues many of the members had and solved. It just might save you a lot of money and headaches.


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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ZERACER
All great info from pizzaguy.
Indeed! With particular thanks to you, you were spot on regarding the alarm sounder (or so it certainly appears). Pulling fuse 9 drops the current draw from 100 mA to 15 mA. I shall be investing in a wiper arm puller (per your advise elsewhere) and delving below the windscreen shroud next weekend.

12V socket was a simple fuse issue and when replacedseems to be functioning fine.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 06:12 PM
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Thanks for the advise. Unfortunately, I can't locate the genuine part in the UK, hence chancing on Ebay! I would certainly be happy to pay a bit more for a genuine MB/manufacturers part, rather than what is probably a ripped copy.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2022 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGhost
There are a number of 'electric seat' fault issues here in the forum posts with solutions as listed. One suggests a bad diode in the seat relay. As I just gave you the one instance, finding out what is causing the seat(s) issue is important to solving the problem. I have no idea what you're going to do with this ebay item but wiring in something like this might cause you more problems. Unless that relay is an exact replacement you're going to cause a huge can of worms (especially wire worms) and just might cause more electrical problems. Good luck in whatever you do, I hope it solves your problem with the seat issue. Check the forum document collection for the issues many of the members had and solved. It just might save you a lot of money and headaches.

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OK point taken! I received a 5-pin relay from Erroneous Bay (to e fair I've had plenty of good stuff), that I suspect will not be suitable as surely more pins are required for the power seat relay - unless there are 2 of them? As both seats have failed, I suspect not. I have searched on the manufacturer codes placed elsewhere on this site, but no line of sight in the UK. Does anyone have a pin layout and rating, or something to point me to an equivalent part please?

With the drivers seat fixed at full extent, as it is now, I can't expect the wife to not be able to see over the dashboard at full throttle! That would be dangerous and I love her too much! )
 
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Old Sep 15, 2022 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Uriah
OK point taken! I received a 5-pin relay from Erroneous Bay (to e fair I've had plenty of good stuff), that I suspect will not be suitable as surely more pins are required for the power seat relay - unless there are 2 of them? As both seats have failed, I suspect not. I have searched on the manufacturer codes placed elsewhere on this site, but no line of sight in the UK. Does anyone have a pin layout and rating, or something to point me to an equivalent part please?

With the drivers seat fixed at full extent, as it is now, I can't expect the wife to not be able to see over the dashboard at full throttle! That would be dangerous and I love her too much! )


That tutorial I mentioned, is in the document collection. Free downloads all over in there, including the service manual. The diode that goes bad is INSIDE the relay (I believe) and fixing it (if it is the problem) is simple to unsolder/resolder a replacement universal diode (part number in the tutorial). If your good to moderate with a soldering iron should be very easy. The relay itself is located on the inside firewall (if I remember correctly) and towards the center of the car. You can do it, many have. Good luck!


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Old Sep 15, 2022 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Uriah
Thank you so much. Not too many XF's in the UK now. One pulled out behind me recently and it was a thumbs up out of the window and a V-6 howl as we sped off in different directions! You don't get that with too many car owners, and it was a nice moment!
I take note of your suggestions, Rather than getting a wife with longer legs (joke!). I found this on Ebay and I'm hoping that it will fix the seating problem. I'll let you know how I get on,,,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362999838...3ABFBMnpPcl-Vg
Have seen a couple of Crossfire's around the town I'm in. A Coupe drove past the other day actually, plus there's a Roadster I see parked up in a steet on the way to work sometimes plus driving around the area.. Prior to these 2 recent spots, I've not seen another Crossfire for years !!

Let us know if you carry out the Diode fix mentioned by a few members, as I am keen to resolve a similar intermittent electric seat problem too!
 
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Old Sep 16, 2022 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by F4celess
Have seen a couple of Crossfire's around the town I'm in. A Coupe drove past the other day actually, plus there's a Roadster I see parked up in a steet on the way to work sometimes plus driving around the area.. Prior to these 2 recent spots, I've not seen another Crossfire for years !!

Let us know if you carry out the Diode fix mentioned by a few members, as I am keen to resolve a similar intermittent electric seat problem too!
OK, I've been pursuaded. I'll hopefully take a look this weekend. I'm nay so bad with a soldering iron, and I guess nothing ventured... etc.
Next thing to tackle after that is constant 'creaking' noise from under the car, which seems to be exhaust system related.
I've neglected these things for far too long as I was planning on getting something else, but then I thought she's all I need in a second car, and without going nuts with the wallet, there's really nothing else that appeals.
Good to make contact with you fellow XF fans, especially those that will take a job on themselves. I guess I'd grown lazy, but it's great to fix a problem yourself, which I couldn't do without your support.
 
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Originally Posted by Uriah
OK, .....Good to make contact with you fellow XF fans, especially those that will take a job on themselves. I guess I'd grown lazy, but it's great to fix a problem yourself, which I couldn't do without your support.


PLEASE let us know (the membership) what you find/found. If you have never tested a diode, it's simple with a VOM. Once you get that relay out (again, forgive me if it is outside the relay), take a picture of the circuit board and post it. If I remember that tutorial correctly, there IS a picture in that .pdf. I also am not sure the same diode in there is the one that always failed. Either way, if it is a bad diode, we can help you for a little time and a small cost for that generic diode. Good luck!


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