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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Borhmian
I already have a GSX-R 750, and gotten her up to 168 mph. Fast isn't just what I'm looking for. I love my Crossfire, and want to get -her- upgraded. Not just any run of the mill motorcycle. Thanks for the idea, even if it's not -quite- what we're discussing.
I apologize for the diversion. Just love Bikes. Gary
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 04:19 PM
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I apologize for the diversion. Just love Bikes. Gary
Hahaha... no no no.. I love my bike, too. But I love my Crossfire even more, and would love to see her get some serious 'oomph' going, more than I already do.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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The n/a six speed's tough enough for Jeep but only handles 276 pound feet of torque.

And I'm not sure a Tremec would fit.

I just don't want to see you broke down on the side of the road someplace.

Just my .02
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus_Christler
The n/a six speed's tough enough for Jeep but only handles 276 pound feet of torque.

And I'm not sure a Tremec would fit.

I just don't want to see you broke down on the side of the road someplace.

Just my .02
Working with an upgrade to the V8 is going to end up needing some serious mods, regardless of what I throw in there. I don't think I want to be up to HDDP's standards, but somewhere close would be nice, while still keeping her 'street' legal, in all aspects. I know looking in the past, the hardest thing to get over is the ECU tune.. is that still the case?
 
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Borhmian
Working with an upgrade to the V8 is going to end up needing some serious mods, regardless of what I throw in there. I don't think I want to be up to HDDP's standards, but somewhere close would be nice, while still keeping her 'street' legal, in all aspects. I know looking in the past, the hardest thing to get over is the ECU tune.. is that still the case?
The electronics is the hard part. Rudy/RCompart is building V8 Crossfires and he is one of the only ones that can make it work with the electronics. You can buy the engine I mentioned above and have it shipped along with your car to Rudy in WI. and it can be done by the time you get back form Iraq.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
The electronics is the hard part. Rudy/RCompart is building V8 Crossfires and he is one of the only ones that can make it work with the electronics. You can buy the engine I mentioned above and have it shipped along with your car to Rudy in WI. and it can be done by the time you get back form Iraq.
Yeah, that's what I was figured would be the hardest part to accomplish - just like everyone trying to get turbos / TT's or superchargers to work with our little N/A's, the ECU tuning was always the limiting factor. Not that I'm not willing to try something along those lines, either. Is that possible to accomplish with the jump up to a V8? I know, probably overkill.. hahaha... A complete rehaul of about everything mechnical / electrical would probably be needed for something of that magnitude. But shipping it all to Rudy doesn't sound like a bad plan - he messaged me earlier last night (my time.. I'm waaay ahead of you guys back stateside) with his number, to give him a call and work out details. Might be something I bring up to him.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 08:58 AM
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Yeah, that's what I was figured would be the hardest part to accomplish - just like everyone trying to get turbos / TT's or superchargers to work with our little N/A's, the ECU tuning was always the limiting factor. Not that I'm not willing to try something along those lines, either. Is that possible to accomplish with the jump up to a V8? I know, probably overkill.. hahaha... A complete rehaul of about everything mechnical / electrical would probably be needed for something of that magnitude. But shipping it all to Rudy doesn't sound like a bad plan - he messaged me earlier last night (my time.. I'm waaay ahead of you guys back stateside) with his number, to give him a call and work out details. Might be something I bring up to him.
I wouldn't do too many changes at once. I would start by just putting the V8 in. They guy who did my ECU programming doesn't want to do any more since it is not his main business and he doesn't have time. Rudy Compart has learned to the programing and he now has put to 55 Kompressor Crossfire monster on the road and is in the process of building a third one. If you want a V8, he is your guy. I would use the n/a 55 or 500 engine with the six speed. If you want to supercharge it latter you can do that. Atwood European has a great kit for the V8 and the key to his kit is that they can now do all the tuning in the stock ECU. That 55 engine on Ebay would be perfect for the swap. a perfect engine at the right price doesn't come available everyday, so if you are serious you find a way to jump on it. I can tell you first hand there is nothing like a v8 Crossfire. I would love to see you and Rudy get this going! Rudy has some great ideas to perfect the n/a V8 swap but I can't send my car as it is my daily driver. You not needing your car right now would be perfect and you would be the first V8/Manual transmission car in the world! You can PM me if you would like to discuss.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
I wouldn't do too many changes at once. I would start by just putting the V8 in. They guy who did my ECU programming doesn't want to do any more since it is not his main business and he doesn't have time. Rudy Compart has learned to the programing and he now has put to 55 Kompressor Crossfire monster on the road and is in the process of building a third one. If you want a V8, he is your guy. I would use the n/a 55 or 500 engine with the six speed. If you want to supercharge it latter you can do that. Atwood European has a great kit for the V8 and the key to his kit is that they can now do all the tuning in the stock ECU. That 55 engine on Ebay would be perfect for the swap. a perfect engine at the right price doesn't come available everyday, so if you are serious you find a way to jump on it. I can tell you first hand there is nothing like a v8 Crossfire. I would love to see you and Rudy get this going! Rudy has some great ideas to perfect the n/a V8 swap but I can't send my car as it is my daily driver. You not needing your car right now would be perfect and you would be the first V8/Manual transmission car in the world! You can PM me if you would like to discuss.
Alright, sent you that PM, Lantana. Anyone that is watching this, I'll be sure to keep you posted. Actually, if I get this off the ground, I'll probably start my own thread, so I stop hi-jacking this one. Where do you all think I should post it? Keep it in the 'Coupe' Section, or move it somewhere else?
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LantanaTX
I wouldn't do too many changes at once. I would start by just putting the V8 in. They guy who did my ECU programming doesn't want to do any more since it is not his main business and he doesn't have time. Rudy Compart has learned to the programing and he now has put to 55 Kompressor Crossfire monster on the road and is in the process of building a third one. If you want a V8, he is your guy. I would use the n/a 55 or 500 engine with the six speed. If you want to supercharge it latter you can do that. Atwood European has a great kit for the V8 and the key to his kit is that they can now do all the tuning in the stock ECU. That 55 engine on Ebay would be perfect for the swap. a perfect engine at the right price doesn't come available everyday, so if you are serious you find a way to jump on it. I can tell you first hand there is nothing like a v8 Crossfire. I would love to see you and Rudy get this going! Rudy has some great ideas to perfect the n/a V8 swap but I can't send my car as it is my daily driver. You not needing your car right now would be perfect and you would be the first V8/Manual transmission car in the world! You can PM me if you would like to discuss.
Also - Just PM'ed Rudy with a link to the engine you mentioned, waiting on a response from him so that I can go ahead and nab that thing while it's still as cheap as it is. Thanks for looking out / helping Lantana. I'm sure we're going to end up exchanging a -lot- of PM's in the future! Ahhh... feels good to be back on the forums!
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by arado
You want to go fast? Buy a Triumph Street Triple. 675cc that weighs 360 # and puts out 130 BHP with superb handling and brakes. Cost $10, 000. I got one and it is. Not my bike pictured but just like it. I modded mine with fairing etc.. NA injected. Gary
Gary, I am not trying to be an A-hole, but why is it whenever someone starts a thread, you need to post a comment that either has nothing to do with it, or derails the thread all together.

Someone will ask, "Will the XF be worth money some day?" and you will replay, "I have been offered 35K for mine and will never sell"

Someone asks, "how do I adapt a manual for a V8 conversion" and you tell them to buy a motorcycle.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUpXFire
Gary, I am not trying to be an A-hole, but why is it whenever someone starts a thread, you need to post a comment that either has nothing to do with it, or derails the thread all together.

Someone will ask, "Will the XF be worth money some day?" and you will replay, "I have been offered 35K for mine and will never sell"

Someone asks, "how do I adapt a manual for a V8 conversion" and you tell them to buy a motorcycle.
Hahahaha... no offense to Gary, but that sounded funny when you put it like that, BoilerUpXFire. Btw, did you manage to go to the get together last year? I know I was involved in the planning, and then got yanked overseas before I could finish it all up.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUpXFire
Gary, I am not trying to be an A-hole, but why is it whenever someone starts a thread, you need to post a comment that either has nothing to do with it, or derails the thread all together.

Someone will ask, "Will the XF be worth money some day?" and you will replay, "I have been offered 35K for mine and will never sell"

Someone asks, "how do I adapt a manual for a V8 conversion" and you tell them to buy a motorcycle.
I am just trying to stimulate an interchange. It worked here but not as designed. . Thanks, gary
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 03:08 PM
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Hahahaha... no offense to Gary, but that sounded funny when you put it like that, BoilerUpXFire. Btw, did you manage to go to the get together last year? I know I was involved in the planning, and then got yanked overseas before I could finish it all up.
If you are referring to CAA in St. Louis, I had a large project come up at work and was unable to make it. I am really trying to make CAA thsi year, even if it means missing a few other GTGs that I love to attend.

Will you be back in time for this one?
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 03:08 PM
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Hahahaha... no offense to Gary, but that sounded funny when you put it like that, BoilerUpXFire. Btw, did you manage to go to the get together last year? I know I was involved in the planning, and then got yanked overseas before I could finish it all up.
If you are referring to CAA in St. Louis, I had a large project come up at work and was unable to make it. I am really trying to make CAA thsi year, even if it means missing a few other GTGs that I love to attend.

Will you be back in time for this one?

And a very big THANK YOU for serving. I know it sucks not to have access to your baby, but thanks for keeping it safe for us to enjoy ours
 

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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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Whats you guys opion on ebay selling a full turbo kit for like $600 bucks..
 
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Old Feb 28, 2011 | 10:51 PM
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Whats you guys opion on ebay selling a full turbo kit for like $600 bucks..
no, we dont have hondas lol. A low boost setup (8-10) would mean a gt35, a good wastegate, blowoff, good intercooler piping, a good intercooler, a wideband, oil lines, injectors,probably a fuel pump, an aem fic8 at the least, the ability to wire up and tune it, fabrication and figuring out where to mount the turbo and thick stainless for all of the exhaust piping. If my math serves me right (I used 100 VE to make my numbers match the factory numbers) 8psi will make ~320 hp, 10 psi will make ~350 at 6000 rpm. Our engines are high compression and probably cant take much more. $600 worth of crap won't get you far lol.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2011 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by downwardspiral
no, we dont have hondas lol. A low boost setup (8-10) would mean a gt35, a good wastegate, blowoff, good intercooler piping, a good intercooler, a wideband, oil lines, injectors,probably a fuel pump, an aem fic8 at the least, the ability to wire up and tune it, fabrication and figuring out where to mount the turbo and thick stainless for all of the exhaust piping. If my math serves me right (I used 100 VE to make my numbers match the factory numbers) 8psi will make ~320 hp, 10 psi will make ~350 at 6000 rpm. Our engines are high compression and probably cant take much more. $600 worth of crap won't get you far lol.
Not to mention, as you mentioned, the biggest issue would be tuning the ECU to -handle- all of that, and not just throw it all out to begin with.

P.S. - Hahaha... the Honda quote cracked me up.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2011 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUpXFire
If you are referring to CAA in St. Louis, I had a large project come up at work and was unable to make it. I am really trying to make CAA thsi year, even if it means missing a few other GTGs that I love to attend.

Will you be back in time for this one?

And a very big THANK YOU for serving. I know it sucks not to have access to your baby, but thanks for keeping it safe for us to enjoy ours
Yup, that was the one I was referring to! Boo that you couldn't go! I was pretty upset that I couldn't make it, as well.

Hopefully, I should be! There's a lot up in the air with everything right now, so I'm not exactly sure when I'll be stateside again, but I'm definitely going to try to make this one, hell or high-water! I have some relatives that live in Colorado, and I wouldn't mind seeing them again anywho.

Mmm... also, I'm over here as a contractor now. I served my 5 years, they tried to call me back in, but issues with my ankle prevented that. Since I had already packed up everything, put it all in storage, dropped everything not necessary to my life essentially, I said screw it, and came over here as a contractor with my company. Now I work -with- the military, keeping everyone involved safer. I do have to say that I enjoy my job, even with the long hours and lack of weekends / holidays off. Thanks for the kudos, though. It's appreciated, wholeheartedly!
 
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