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Old May 31, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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Thursday night I leased #20277 which is a 2004 Alabaster/Cedar coupe. The color combination is absolutely gorgeous. The dealer had this one on the showroom floor for months and luckily they still had it when I finally decided to buy.

I absolutley love this car. I'm amazed at all the looks and comments I've gotten from people in the few days I've owned it.

This is the first new car I've bought locally. I've always gone to LA or the coast, since here they like to hassle you and charge over sticker. It was an extremely easy and positive experience; in less than 3 hours after the initial phone call, I was driving away.

Of course that experience didn't last... today when I was out taking my car for a walk, the dealership calls to say I need to resign my lease because they made a mistake. They want to charge me 20 cents per mile over the limit instead of the 15 cents on the contract I have.

The Crossfire continues to amaze me. Everything from the subtle design cues to how well it drives. The only thing I am disappointed about, is all the somewhat harsh reviews the car got. I love the interior and I happen to think it has plenty of power. Had it not been for the negative vibes, I might have joined the Crossfire club sooner!

Steve
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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Welcome to the club... finally!

You will only love her more with every passing day...
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 05:40 PM
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Don't re-sign anything... some dealers have been known to do this type of thing. This ploy has even been reported on various consumer programs. You signed papers and that's it.

Conrats on your car... you'll enjoy it!!!
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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you do not have to resign. Once dealer signs contract it is a done deal. He is stuck with it. He is supposed to be knowledgeable enough to not make a mistake. You have three days to get out of a contract providing you do not take the car. Do not resign. Tell him you like the deal and will keep it as is.
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 06:20 PM
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dirtboy:

8) Welcome Welcome Welcome!!

:lol: Be sure to check out "Meets" ..... Sin City Hook-Up. Then you'll never stop smiling!!! :wink:
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 07:47 PM
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A deal is done when you signed all the papers .....................Don't resign.Did u get 15000 ayear $299 monthly 39mos.. if not re negotiate!Thats' what the dealer has here in ventura!
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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I got $299/mo 39 mo 39,000 miles.

I will start ignoring their calls or maybe I will tell them I will resign if they up my mileage!
 
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Old May 31, 2004 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtboy
I got $299/mo 39 mo 39,000 miles.

I will start ignoring their calls or maybe I will tell them I will resign if they up my mileage!
I wouldn't ignore them, but I would tell them politely that you have a signed contract that both parties at the table agreed to when signing. Unless they were telling you 20 and DID make a mistake typing it up as 15 and you KNEW it, but hey they'd have to PROVE that in court to force the higher amount on you. If you indeed think you'll put more than 39,000 miles in that time (I sure as heck would, more like 50,000), do the math for the various scenarios and consider your options before calling back and offering them a counter proposal.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 08:41 AM
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I don't know about CA, but here in MI, you also signed a piece of paper that says you give the dealer the right to correct any errors made. This would include the need to re-sign the lease paper. If that is the case, you will have to re-sign. Anyways, the lease contract is with the leasing company (chrysler financial), not with your dealer...You would have to prove in court that you only would have entered into the lease if the overage was 15cents a mile. I think that would be hard for you to 'prove', since the $299 is probably what you convinced you todo the lease (along with the beautiful car). BTW, don't worry about the reviews...If you listened to all the critics...you would be driving a Honda Civic Hybrid and never go see a movie.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 09:33 AM
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The new Honda Accord diesel is hott. 77mpg and accelerates faster than the gasoline version.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 11:45 AM
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Of course that experience didn't last... today when I was out taking my car for a walk, the dealership calls to say I need to resign my lease because they made a mistake. They want to charge me 20 cents per mile over the limit instead of the 15 cents on the contract I have.
I would politely invite your dealer to pound some serious sand. I think the only thing you need to worry about is whether the dealer made a "mistake", as mistake is not a defense under the law (attorneys correct me on this if I am wrong). So if you tell the jackass to go F-himself, it's then up to him to prove he made a mistake and shouldn't be bound by the deal. All of that said, I'm sure it's just a ploy on their part to suck some more $$$ out of you. Sad to say, but I'll bet for every 10 people they call back with this line of BS, probably 2 or 3 just come right in and agree to the new deal.

This reminds me of when I bought my '93 Eagle Vision. A couple of months later I get a bill from the dealer for another $100 or so for the registration. I looked over my purchase agreement looking for language indicating I was obligated to pay anything after the deal, couldn't find it so I called them asking me to point me in that direction. The lady on the phone just got all huffy and essentially said "Well if you don't want to pay, don't!!". I said "It isn't that I don't want to pay, I just want you to tell me where I agreed to pay and then I'll pay, I just don't see it." She just got all huffy again and I didn't pay. Screw them.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 12:11 PM
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I would politely invite your dealer to pound some serious sand. I think the only thing you need to worry about is whether the dealer made a "mistake", as mistake is not a defense under the law (attorneys correct me on this if I am wrong).
I believe you are correct. I didn't attempt to negotiate any of the terms. I told them I wanted whatever the promotional lease was. The finance guy, who had to be in his early twenties, went over the entire agreement line by line. I signed it in good faith.

He even pointed out that in California, all sales are final and that I could not return the car. It's printed on the lease agreement.

Furthermore, the lease agreement says that if there is a dispute between the two parties, then the contract must go through arbitration.

I don't know who is right or wrong in this situation, nor do I think it really matters. I signed a contract and if I got screwed, then it is my fault. If they got screwed, then they should fire the people who are causing them to lose money. Nowhere in contract law does it say you can cancel a contract because you agreed to a bad deal.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by krusty_the_klown
I would politely invite your dealer to pound some serious sand. I think the only thing you need to worry about is whether the dealer made a "mistake", as mistake is not a defense under the law (attorneys correct me on this if I am wrong).
I believe you are correct. .

well, there are provisions in most state contracting laws that prevent someone from taking advantage of someone elses honest mistake. sometimes the word "unconscionable" is used. like if the deal was supposed to be $30,000.00 but somehow got written as $3.00. i doubt a court would let the dealer void this one tho.

best for you to tell the dealer to put it in writing and you'll respond in writing. probably, they'll just pass.

dan
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 04:09 PM
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well, there are provisions in most state contracting laws that prevent someone from taking advantage of someone elses honest mistake. sometimes the word "unconscionable" is used. like if the deal was supposed to be $30,000.00 but somehow got written as $3.00. i doubt a court would let the dealer void this one tho.

best for you to tell the dealer to put it in writing and you'll respond in writing. probably, they'll just pass.

dan
That's right, you're saying the same thing I was. I have another real life example from my '88 Beretta. I get the clutch fixed, fully expecting to pay since I didn't think it was covered by my service contract. I go to pick it up, the cashier charges me the deductible and sends me on my way. I just figured I didn't read it right. Anyway, several months later I get a letter from the dealer saying they made a mistake, it wasn't covered and they wanted their cash (several hundred). Just for grins I called an attorney friend of mine, he said go ahead an pay it since it was clearly a mistake. I would lose in court.

Now on this deal, I don't how they would prove mistake. I'll be interested to see how it develops. However, I gotta believe if he relied on the info in the deal to agree to the deal, he could rescind it if the dealer prevails. It's crazy to think that someone can get a court to change the terms of a deal that I agreed to and not let me walk from it.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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I've been expecting another call from them, but nothing yet. They seemed overly eager to get me in. According to the contract that I have, the only way it can be cancelled is if both parties agree.

They won't take the car back, especially since my trade in is long gone!

I imagine nothing will come of it.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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congrats on the new motor, a contract is a contract simple.....enjoy your car and use another dealer!

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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 05:14 PM
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A friend of mine bought an Accord several months ago and the dealer called her a few days later and said her credit wasn't good enough for the interest rate they gave her. They tried to get her to come in and sign a new finance contract at a higher rate. She refused and nothing else was ever said about it.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by lordpercy
congrats on the new motor, a contract is a contract simple.....enjoy your car and use another dealer!

LOL
Oh for SURE I wouldn't be taking a car in for service to the dealership who tried to sucker me back in for a deal change (despite their intentions, the contract says 'binding arbitration', let them submit it for 'arbitration' if they honestly are now disputing it). That'd be like just ASKING for SOMETHING not so garcious to happen to your vehicle while it's in there, and they respond with some legalese "we are not liable for what occurs on our lot" nonsense.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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6/2/04 10am Update:

I just got a call from the same gal who called me two days ago. She asked me to come in again and I told her I am happy with my contract and I am not resigning, unless they are willing to concede something to me.

She then told me that they can't sell this contract to Chrysler Financial, so it is null and void.

I then explained to her that there is "no cooling off period" and that "all sales are final" in the state of California. I told her if she had a problem with this, she should speak to the finance writer. I told her that he went over the contract and I didn't negotiate any of the terms. I signed it in good faith and he agreed to it in good faith.

She said she'd have to talk to a manager and that she would call me back. I really hope a manager calls, because I'd like to talk to them.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lordpercy
congrats on the new motor, a contract is a contract simple.....enjoy your car and use another dealer!
They are the only Chrysler dealership in Bakersfield.
 
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