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Old 08-04-2018, 01:09 PM
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I have seen a number of fixes for no start and starts and stalls and I have done them all. I have done the sodder points on the RCM and checked the module in my friends Crossfire and all is good. I replaced both Crank and Camshaft sensors and still the same problem. I bought the car two months ago and I love it, but this is a mystery. It has run perfectly except for one unexpected stall at a set of lights a week after I got it, but nothing until last week, when it simply decided not to start and run. I am also aware of the three starting attempts and then a required reset and done that a few times. Doesn't appear to be key, security or battery or any simple thing. No codes come up on code reader either. I also checked fuel pressure and all is good. My next exercise is to check continuity of each wire to connector tip in each of the plug ins for the RCM module. Any help is appreciated.
 

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Old 08-04-2018, 01:24 PM
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If you get three starts and nothing you need a SKREEM module.
 
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:12 PM
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Did you put your friends RCM in your car to see if it would start?
Did it?
 
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:19 PM
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Did not as I didn't want to start creating problems for his car if something else was amiss in mine, but will try if my next exercise doesn't work. I don't think it is the SKREEM as a member noted, as all other electronic functions including remote etc. work normally.
 
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:07 PM
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The RCM is simply a circuit board with relays on it. I"d not concern myself with causing any harm by swapping RCMs.
 
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Old 08-04-2018, 11:43 PM
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Took other cars RCM, but same problem. Both RCM's work in his car fine, but mine still has the same start and stall problem. Going to check continuity of every connector wire and pins in the connectors to the RCM.
 
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:32 PM
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Update. Checked everything as noted above including fuel pump, regulator, filter etc. and if gas is squirted into throttle body it will run. It is obvious that something is shutting off injector system and fuel is not being delivered through injectors. Any ideas?
 
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:44 PM
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Did you put a pressure gauge on the fuel rail ? Need 40 to start and should have 55-60 when running. A good Mercedes scaner can monitor many things when running. A number of errors will not turn on a dash light.
 
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:03 PM
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Yes. Has good pressure at rail, same as at pump. Something is simply shutting off injectors when it does start.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:55 AM
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I hope you replaced the crankshaft and camshaft sensors with Bosch parts as other brands have been found to be lacking. I am not saying that is your problem though, but the plugs do not fit the sensors properly on some makes.
The remote entry feature has nothing to do with starting the car. You mention the SKREEM but did not say definitely that it did not start only three times before you reset it by disconnecting the battery, but I assume that is not the case.
Have you done anything to the car prior to the problem lately?
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:11 AM
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Thanks. No changes to car of any kind. Yes, after 3 tries I do the reset. We seem to have narrowed it down to the fact that when it starts and runs for a few seconds, we understand the fuel pump is powered directly, but it is also our understanding that when it starts the fuel pump relay becomes activated by the oil pressure sending unit rather than directly and we are checking to see if this might be the issue. If you squirt fuel in TB, it will continue to run so it is a fuel system related problem of some kind we are chasing at the moment. If you know, what are indicators of a faulty SKREEM module? I don't think it has anything to do with that as alll other functions operate properly.
 
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You just described the symptoms of a bad SKREEM, 3 tries and do a reset. 3 more and another reset etc.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:29 AM
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Thanks. No changes to car of any kind. Yes, after 3 tries I do the reset.
I am a stickler for the actual facts, you say after 3 tries you do the reset, that is different from having to do the reset.
If you have to do the reset then it is definitely the SKREEM at fault. You never mentioned the three strikes and out condition until now and you were not definitive in it even then.
Get a SKREEM. If that does not work please do not blame me.

 

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Old 08-10-2018, 09:33 AM
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Sometimes ,,,,,,,,, there just ain't enough rocks .......
 
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He said in his first post that he had three starts and a reset and in post two I said he needed a SKREEM. Then fuel delivery came up as a symptom and things got confusing from there.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JSK
He said in his first post that he had three starts and a reset and in post two I said he needed a SKREEM. Then fuel delivery came up as a symptom and things got confusing from there.
He said he did it a few times, he did not say he did it every time and there is a difference right there.
I agree it sounds like he needs a SKREEM, I try not to jump to conclusions on vague info, although I often do.
Sometimes I ignore posts because the info is confusing and I ignored this one at the start. People know what they mean but that is not necessarily what they write.
 
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Three old guys with a combined age of 219 years can't be wrong.
 
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Appreciate the feedback. I assume you are saying that failure to start or engage starter after three tries is not a normal lockout function? Since everything else seems to be in order, I will check changing the SKREEM.
 
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Three old guys with a combined age of 219 years can't be wrong.
I prefer the phrase ‘past the best by date’ rather than the word old.
 
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Appreciate the feedback. I assume you are saying that failure to start or engage starter after three tries is not a normal lockout function? Since everything else seems to be in order, I will check changing the SKREEM.
You assume wrongly, the three tries and then a lock out is normal and is to prevent a key with the wrong or no chip from starting the car. In your case as long as the key has the correct functioning chip there is something wrong with the SKREEM, the halo around the ignition switch or the wires to the SKREEM from the halo and hopefully nothing more serious than that.
 


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